The Story of Sarah Records Sarah唱片公司的前世今生
英文字幕：一盒 英文校对：Screamy & Nico
中文字幕：fanmu 中文校对：路克
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Anyone that was doing music of the sort that we were 那时候任何玩我们这样音乐的乐队
wanted to be on Sarah before they were on anything else 最想加入的厂牌一定是Sarah
I trusted the label so much 我是如此相信这个厂牌
I would buy anything they put out 他们发行什么我都会买
There were Sarah gigs 那时有Sarah的演出
there were Sarah tours Sarah的巡演
So we would go on tour with Brighter 我们和Brighter
and The Field Mice and Heavenly The Field Mice、Heavenly一起到处演
I mean what a great bill 多棒的阵容
Sarah had a lot of anoraks 那时Sarah有许多独立乐拥趸
that followed the bands around 跟着乐队到处跑
I think that's brilliant because 我觉得那很棒 因为
they really cared about what they were saying 乐迷们真的非常在意乐队在说什么
and what they were doing 做什么
Just where we lived didn't seem to matter 似乎住哪里都不要紧
when it came to a Sarah gig 只要一听说哪里有Sarah的演出
We'd travel 我们就会跑去看
I always appreciate in music 我一直欣赏那种
anything that's done with passion 满怀热情创作出来的音乐
I always have a real sympathy for people 我一直对那些觉得自己格格不入的人
who feel they're outside of the norm 抱有许多同情
You can't romanticise something 如果音乐不够好
that wasn't good 是没法把它浪漫化的
It is the closest record label to perfection 这是我遇到过的
that I've ever come across 最接近完美的唱片厂牌
There was a reason why people 人们之所以热衷于这个厂牌
were like so such obsessive completists 是有原因的
It was about being part of something and 这关系到参与感、归属感
you can join in too if you want 只要你想，你也可以参与其中
If you see that someone's got like 看到某人有张Sarah 7吋
a Sarah Record 7" it's like Oh! 你会“哦”地感叹
My Secret World, The Story of Sarah Records 我的秘密世界——Sarah唱片公司的前世今生
I think one thing that I'm always amazed by 我有时也不敢相信
is that I ever ended up running a record label 自己做了这样一个厂牌
because if you ask anybody who 因为如果你去问任何一个
knew me when I was growing up 看着我长大的人
I was the shyest 我其实是那个最害羞的
least likely person to ever get involved 最不可能参与这种
in anything that had any sort of public profile 会受公众注意的事情的人
I don't think I was an unhappy teenager 我不觉得自己是个不快乐的少女
hut I think I quite liked 但我想我确实比较喜欢
playing with miserabllism 惨兮兮的那种
The Smiths were probably invented for me The Smiths可能开发了我的这一属性
I certainly you know wore a lot of black 当时我确实经常一身黑
I think for people of my age 像我这样年纪的人
you know John Peel was the only 当时唯一的新音乐渠道
real source of hearing new music 就是John Peel的节目
because at that time Radio 1 I think 因为那时候Radio 1
used to go off air at 7 o'clock 晚上7点就停了
in the evening and go over to Radio 2 不得不换台到Radio 2
and then John Peel used to come hack 然后John Peel晚上10点
on again at 10 o'clock at night 会回到节目中
So anybody that was into 所以对当时任何一个
any sort of alternative, interesting, different music 喜欢另类、有趣、非主流音乐的人来说
if you didn't listen to John Peel 如果你不听John Peel
you would never hear it 就永远也听不到独立音乐
His presence as a person on the radio 他个人在广播中的存在
and I think that's true for a lot of people 对许多人来说十分鲜活
It was never just about the music 从来都不仅仅关乎音乐
it was always about listening to John Peel as well 能听到从John Peel手中放出的音乐才是最重要的
and that someone else 其他什么人
playing the exact same music 哪怕放的是同样的音乐
wouldn't have been quite the same thing 也无法产生同样的效果
so it was always sort of my mum trying 那时候我妈妈总是催我
to get me to turn it off 关掉收音机
and make sure I wasn't listening under the bed clothes and stuff 还要确保我没有在被窝里偷偷听
Those John Peel shows 那些John Peel的节目里
I mean it was bands like 播放的乐队都是诸如
Echo and The Bunnymen
Teardrop Explodes, Gang of Four
it was that sort of 都是那样的
Joy Division obviously 当然还少不了Joy Division
it was that sort of era and then 在那样一个时代
suddenly hearing Orange Juice I think 突然听到Orange Juice
was the sudden thought that 我突然想
maybe I could be involved with a scene like this 或许我也可以参与其中
These sound like the sort of people that 那些乐队听起来都是一些
I could sort of meet and talk to 我可以结识和交流
and get on with 并且相处得不错的人
I went to see the Alarm a lot 我看过The Alarm很多次
I mean they were sort of my first loves 他们就像我的初恋
And I'm not a fan of the music any more 现在我不再喜欢那样的音乐
but I loved the politics of them 但还是欣赏他们的政治态度
and I loved the fact that they deliberately 我喜欢他们那么平易近人地
made themselves so accessible to the fans 对待他们的乐迷
so you could always go and 所以你永远可以演出后
talk to them afterwards 径直走过去和他们交谈
Which you know for first real love of a band 你的初恋乐队
to be someone you could go and talk to was 变成了触手可及的人
quite amazing really I think so 那种感觉真的太棒了
I think that sort of formed quite a lot of my principles 我认为那些经历帮助我形成了
about what music should be like really 对音乐的定义和看法
I mean having grown up in London 我在伦敦长大
I knew I couldn't live anywhere small 我知道自己没法在小地方生活
I didn't want to go to university in a 我不想去一个相对小的城镇
relatively small city or town 去上大学
Bristol I know I liked the countryside around it 我知道布里斯托 我喜欢它周围的乡间
I like the sort of maritime aspect 我喜欢那里的船舶之类
I like the river 也喜欢那边的河流
and I like the fact that it's always seemed 喜欢那里总有点
slightly quirky and slightly different 略怪异 略不同的感觉
The big event for me was finding out 我最大的惊喜，是发现
that the guy who was living next door to me in the halls of residence at Bristol 那个住我隔壁的家伙
was into virtually the same music as me 和我听同样的音乐
and we would sort of egg each other on 于是我们就经常互相安利
and go to gig's together and buy records 一起去看演出 买唱片
and talk about them 聊各种音乐的事情
And then I think one day we saw a piece in 一天我们在什么报纸上看到一篇文章
I think it was the NME 我想应该是NME
about a fanzine called Hungry Beat 关于一本叫《Hungry Beat》的fanzine
and this was in the era 那个时候正好是
of the sort of first Creation bands Creation厂牌推出首批乐队
Sort of Jasmine Minks, Biff Bang Pow! Jasmine Minks、Biff Bang Pow!
People like that 这一类的
So we sent off for this fanzine 于是我们就订购了这本fanzine
and just thought that was fantastic 觉得它太棒了
because it was writing about all these bands that we loved 因为上面写的全是我们爱的乐队
and we thought we could do something like this 我们觉得自己也能行
That whole sort of like explosion 80年代的fanzine风潮
of fanzines in the 80's was partly to do 一部分原因要归于
with the actual inability of the London music press 伦敦音乐媒体的无能
to actually get off their arses 他们根本不愿挪挪屁股
and come to you know 去首都以外的地方
the provinces 探寻好的音乐
Without the internet it was 当时没有互联网
really hard to find out about stuff that you might like 很难找到你可能会喜欢的音乐
You basically had John Peel and fanzines 基本上你只能通过John Peel和那些fanzine
essentially were the two ways 这两种渠道
that you could actually find out about stuff that was below 才能接触到那些
the level that the NME was writing about NME不屑关注的音乐
That seems almost incredible now 现在看来简直难以置信
because its so easy 因为现在实在太容易了
Everyone was obsessed with music 当时每个热衷音乐的人
They knew almost within a few weeks 他们几周内就会知道
of who these great hands are around 又冒出了哪些新的好乐队
you know because people were just churning out these fanzines saying 因为有人会很快编写出fanzine
listen to this lot 上面会推荐
Suddenly this whole world opened up to me 突然间 整个世界在我眼前打开
Stuff I could actually have a chance 我能够有机会
of singing along to 跟着那些音乐哼唱
playing along to 把它们翻弹出来
People made fanzines 人们在便笺纸背面
on the back of notepaper 创作fanzine
and they cut out things from magazines 他们从各种杂志上剪下许多东西
and paste it together 拼贴在一起
and then they'd photocopy it at the local library 然后在当地图书馆复印
and then give it out at gigs 再去演出上分发
You know it was a very 那是一个非常
Although it was an austere time 尽管非常“简朴”
it was a very creative time 但极富创造力的时代
I started my fanzine which was called KVATCH 我16岁的时候
when I was sixteen 创办了自己的fanzine《KVATCH》
It was quite a mixed bag of interviewees 里面我采访了各种各样的人物
I interviewed Ivor Cutler 我采访过Ivor Cutler
who was a really interesting chap to meet 他是我在伊尔克利文学节上
at the llkley Literature Festival 遇到的一个非常有意思的人
Ewan MacColl
The Pogues
Half Man Half Biscuit
Terry and Gerry who I used to really like 还有Terry and Gerry，我曾经很喜欢他们
Billy Bragg
I sold it quite a lot at gigs 我在演出上卖掉不少
and I always found that you know 而且我发现
if there were some gigs I wanted to go to that 如一些我很想去的演出
I couldn't really drag anyone with 一旦我准备在那儿卖fanzine
then if you'd got fanzines to sell 就没人愿意和我一起去了
you got a kind of crutch to fill the time 在乐队上台和换场的间隙
before the band came on and in-between the bands 卖fanzine好像成了一种打发时间的寄托
So I did quite a lot of just walking around 所以我就在场地四处闲逛
trying to sell people fanzines 试着向观众兜售
I shall apologize to Kevin who wrote Hungry Beat now 我应该向《Hungry Beat》的Kevin道歉
because the first issue of Are You Scared To Get Happy? 因为第一期《Are You Scared To Get Happy?》
the fanzine that we did 我们做的那本fanzine
was a complete rip off of his fanzine basically 基本上就是他的翻版
lt just looked like it in every aspect 每个地方都很像
but it was the first thing we'd done 但那是我们的第一次
You know as far as we were concerned 在我们看来
that's what fanzines looked like fanzine就该这个样子
so that's what ours looked like 所以我们也做成了这个样子
When I first came across the idea 第一次知道fanzine的时候
of fanzines I just thought this is great 我觉得这个想法很棒
Because I know I love music 因为我知道自己喜欢音乐
and I know I like writing 也喜欢写作
so this was a perfect opportunity 所以这是一个绝好的机会
to combine the two and actually 可以把这两者结合起来
write about the records and the music 写关于唱片和音乐的文章
that mean a lot to me 这对我来说意味着很多
《Are You Scared To Get Happy?》
Seemed to me to be just brilliantly written, Really intriguing 文字非常好，非常吸引人
He was writing in this weird 里面的文笔有些另类
kind of imagistic way 带点意象主义
about his life and about music 写他的生活，写音乐
and about the effect it was having 和对他产生的影响
I was completely you know taken with it 我完全被吸引住了
I thought this is...this is sort of great 我认为这写得太棒了
The first couple of issues of Are You Scared To Get Happy? 前几期的《Are You Scared To Get Happy?》
were just straight fanzines 都是纯粹的fanzine
Eventually we ended up doing flexi-discs 之后我们每期
with the fanzines as well 会附薄膜唱片
and then that increased the 这一改变
number of people who would write off even more 让更多人产生了兴趣
Other people were putting out flexi-discs 当时其他人也发薄膜唱片
The first one I was aware of was 我知道的第一张
probably the one that came with 可能是Orange Juice的“Felicity”
an early Orange Juice single that had a 附赠一张7吋薄膜
But flexi-discs had always been kind of quite gimmicky 但薄膜唱片总感觉有些骗钱
You'd get them stuck to the covers 要么是杂志里送一张
of magazines or given away free 要么搭配正常发行的单曲
with a proper single 进行附赠
And the whole concept of Sha La La Sha La La这个厂牌的概念
was that it was actually a proper label 它就是一个正规厂牌
And I really like the music 我非常喜欢那些音乐
I think that run of eight flexis 他们大概发行了8张薄膜唱片
they're brilliant 都非常棒
We did actually get a Single of the Week 我们还拿过一次“本周最佳单曲”
for a band called Baby Lemonade 是Baby Lemonade乐队
And that got Single of the Week in Melody Maker 他们的单曲被《Melody Maker》评为当周最佳
and no offence to the band 我没有不敬的意思
it was a great single but the reviewer 单曲很棒 但是乐评人
clearly loved the fact that our 显然更看重
press release was so belligerent 我们咄咄逼人的文案
We had taken the line that 我们特别强调
we are different from the rest of the music industry 我们和业内其他人都不一样
You know this is a flimsy piece of plastic 要知道这样薄薄一片塑料
it cost you know a couple of hundred quid to make 要花费几百英镑
It will probably self destruct after about 50 plays 放大概50次就报废了
which isn't actually true, they do go on 其实不是真的 还能继续放
But we very much played this line 但我们特别强调这一点
that you know it's ephemeral pop 这是转瞬即逝的流行乐
It will you know destroy itself if you play it too much 如果放太多次 它会自毁
but that's sort of part of the beauty of it 但这也是它的美丽所在
That this song is here today and gone tomorrow 今天绽放 明天消逝
Quite luckily really 真的挺幸运
There was a two song Sea Urchins demo tape Sea Urchins有盒两首歌的样带
with Clingfilm and Summershine on 收了Clingfilm、Summershine这两首
and Sha La La wanted to do Summershine Sha La La想发Summershine
and I wanted to do Clingfilm 而我选了Clingfilm
and I guess thankfully we didn't both want to do the same song 幸好没选同一首
This was happening at the same time 我们和Sha La La不谋而合
that on Sha La La we were hearing a Sea Urchins tape 我们也听了Sea Urchins的样带
I think the same tape 应该是同一版吧
but we liked a different song 但我们喜欢上了不同的歌
But that was just pure coincidence 这纯属巧合
that we'd never met Clare 我们当时还没见过Clare
but it was just up in Yorkshire 但就在约克郡
she was listening to the same tape 她也在听
that we were listening to 一样的样带
I moved to Bristol in 1986 我1986年搬到布里斯托
and I moved there to go to University 去那里上大学
I don't really know why I chose to go to Bristol 真不知道为什么当时选了布里斯托
One of those fairly random decisions really 非常随意的一个决定
I mean we were both aware 我们都知道彼此
of each other because we'd sort of 我们交换过
swapped or rather she'd sent me 或是她给我寄过
a copy of her fanzine and then 自己的fanzine
we met at a gig in Bristol and 然后我们在布里斯托一个演出上相遇
introduced ourselves to each other 互相介绍了自己
It was Primal Scream supporting Julian Cope at the Bierkeller 是Primal Scream在Bierkeller给Julian Cope暖场
And I was selling my fanzine and sort of 我在兜售fanzine
you know approached Matt and said 我走到Matt面前问
"Do you want a copy of my fanzine?" “想买fanzine吗？”
And he said "Oh you must be Clare 他说 “哦，你就是Clare吧
you've sent me one already" 你已经给我寄过一本了”
It came across as a bit like 听上去像在说
“走开” ‘shove off' really
but I don't suppose it was meant to be 但他大概不是故意的
I don't know 我不知道
I think from the first time we met 从我们第一次相遇
and talked properly 好好聊过以后
we just clearly...just got on well 我们显然……很投缘
I mean we both had the background 我们都做fanzine
of the fanzines so we had that in common 那是我们的共同点
He seemed very different 他给我的感觉
from all the other boys I suppose I'd met 和我遇到的其他男孩都很不同
Just very 就非常
very self assured but at the same time 非常自信 但同时又
you know quite shy as well 非常腼腆
I think that was a really interesting combination 我认为这是个非常有趣的组合
He knew exactly who he was 他非常了解自己是谁
and what he thought about stuff 和心里想的那些事
I know I was always impressed 她给我的印象很深
because Clare had written her first fanzine 因为Clare编第一本fanzine时
when she was 16 只有16岁
I think her first night when she first came to Bristol 她来布里斯托的第一晚
she went to a gig on her first 就去了一场演出
night in Bristol 是刚到的第一晚
which again quite impressed me 这也让我很佩服
because it took me ages to sort of 我可是花了好久
get my head round where things were 才搞清哪里有演出
and how things were happening and so forth 演出是怎么回事之类的
so I think I was quite 所以我想我当时
quite intimidated probably 可以说相当震惊
by the fact that she just seemed 她还那么年轻
to have done so much so young 却已经做了那么多事
I think me and Clare 我想我和Clare
coming together as a couple 成为情侣
sort of coincided with us having the idea 和想建一个厂牌
to set up a record label 差不多是同时发生的
It's very hard to distinguish between the two 很难分出一个先后
It seemed sort of obvious 这一切挺自然就发生了
since we were both doing 我们之前都在做
I suppose creative stuff 和创意有关的事
to do something together which 所以一起去做一件fanzine以外的事
probably wasn't going to be a fanzine 也挺顺理成章
It was almost like the next step after 厂牌似乎就是发行薄膜唱片后
after flexis really 下一步应该做的
When we started Sarah 刚开始做Sarah时
Clare was still at University Clare还在读大学
I mean we were living in a sort of bedsit 当时我们住在Upper Belgrave路
in Upper Belgrave Road in Bristol 一个客卧两用出租屋
I mean very much literally a sort of 基本就是一个
single room with a mattress on the floor 地上铺了床垫的单人间
and a separate kitchen but that was it 和一个单独的厨房
It was very intense because 非常局促
it literally was just essentially one room 基本上就是一个房间
and that's where we lived for a couple of years 我们还在那里住了好多年
So I'd been working in a car park 我在停车场打过工
then I'd been sort of unemployed 后来失业了一段时间
for a while and then I went on the 再后来我参加了
Enterprise Allowance Scheme which was 企业补助计划
a government scheme that basically 这是一个政府计划
paid you ￡40 a week 如果你创业
if you were starting a new business 政府每周给你40英镑
So when I was going to go on the Enterprise Allowance Scheme 申请加入那个企业补助计划期间
we all had to go down to this big meeting 所有人都必须去一个大型会议
which took place in a drab office block 在Temple Meads火车站附近
near Temple Meads Station 一片乏味的办公楼
And about twenty of us 包括我们在内大概20个人
sat down round a big table 围坐在一个大圆桌旁
and they went round saying you know 然后他们会问
what's your business going to be? 你的经营计划是什么样的？
And we all had to stand up and basically 我们都得站起来
tell the group what our business was going to be 告诉所有人我们的经营计划
There was sort of a brief talk about 当中还有一段
how to keep accounts and bookkeeping 关于如何记账
and all that side of things 诸如此类的简述
But after that basically we were 但在这之后
told to go away and here's your 就让我们走了
40 a week and do 拿上每周的40英镑
what you can with it for a year 用一年来做想做的事
The way I remember it 我记得
I don't know if you do 你还记得吗
你问该起什么名字 is you said "What shall we call it?”
and I went 'Sarah' 我说“Sarah”
Yeah that was it 是的 就是这样
it was across the kitchen table 餐桌对话
So you know the idea is I suppose 所以我觉得这个名字
it was personified 是人格化的
It felt really important to have a 一个女性化的名字似乎非常重要
female reference because there were so few 因为在当时的音乐行业里
female references in any part of the music industry at the time 太欠缺这一点了
Everything was so male orientated 一切事物都是男性主导的
whether it was the press 无论是媒体
the record labels 还是唱片厂牌
just everybody in positions of power 行业里的每一个身居高位的人
in the industry were male 都是男的
so we liked the idea that this label 所以我们觉得这样很不错
用女孩的名字来命名厂牌 would come along and it would have a girl’s name essentially
I don't know if Sarah would exist 如果没有The Sea Urchins
without The Sea Urchins 不知Sarah是否还会存在
They were the band that sort of literally 是他们把我们两个人
brought the two of us together 联系到了一起
The Sea Urchins were a gang and The Sea Urchins是一个帮派
they'd got the Chelsea boots and the 他们都穿切尔西靴
haircuts and they looked like a band 留着类似的发型 看上去就像个乐队
and they were kind of a clique 他们差不多就是个小圈子
They were very young at the time 那时他们还很年轻
I think the oldest was still about 16 最大的也才16岁
They played on the Thekla in Bristol 那天他们在布里斯托的Thekla演出
It was an odd evening because 奇怪的一晚
one of their friends came with them 他们有个朋友
and performed a strip tease on stage with them 在台上表演了一段脱衣舞
a male friend 一个男性朋友
Who just took all his clothes off 就在他们演的时候
while they were playing and then 脱光了所有衣服
put his clothes back on again 再全部穿上
also while they were playing 而他们依然在演
It was a very odd evening 那么奇怪的夜晚
but I thought they were great 可我还是觉得他们很棒
I mean Pristine Christine 那首Pristine Christine
it still sounds to me like a song to 在我看来它就该是
launch a record label with 一个厂牌的开篇之作
It still sounds important 如今它听上去还是非常重要
and it still sounds special 非常特别
When the records came out it was actually 这张唱片刚出来的时候
it was actually exciting 真的非常令人激动
People would gather round to listen 大家聚在一起
to the new ones that came out 听刚发行的新歌
I can remember The Sea Urchins second one 我还记得The Sea Urchine的第二张单曲
I can remember going round to someone's 我记得那时候去了
flat at the time and there was about 某人的公寓
8 or 9 people sat around 八九个人坐在那里
for the first playing of it 共同聆听第一次播放
Pristine Christine got a really really great response Pristine Christine的反响真的很好
I mean we were really lucky with it 我们太幸运了
I mean we got Single of the Week 拿到“本周最佳单曲”
and John Peel played it 连John Peel也播了
Janice Long played the b-side Janice Long播的是唱片B面
and then started playing it again immediately she'd finished 放完后立即再放了一遍
because she liked it so much 因为她实在太喜欢那首歌了
So I mean it really was just a 当时我们只是把
quite concentrated little 很小一部分精力
whoosh of publicity which 放在了宣传上面
you know for the first record 因为那是一个新厂牌发行的
on a new label just got things off 第一张唱片
to a great start really 就已经开了一个好头
and oh it was really exciting yeah 真是激动人心
You know to hear a record 当你从收音机里
you've put out on the radio 听到自己出的唱片
was just you know 那种感觉真是……
God knows what it's like for the band 真正创作这首歌的乐队
whose actually made the record but you know 那该有多兴奋啊
It was thrilling, it was brilliant 肾上腺素激增，实在精彩
You know we couldn't have hoped for more 我们不能指望更多了
as I say so you know and 正如我说的
Revolver Distribution as they were then 那时候Revolver Distribution
were paying for the manufacture 承担了唱片的制作费用
so obviously they were pleased 所以显然他们很高兴
it was what they were hoping for 那正是他们期望的结果
and you know they take a hit of a punt 他们冒了一定风险
on effectively some kids 把钱投在一群小屁孩身上
And they would have got their money back 但最终他们回了本
and that meant they were happy to pay for 那也意味着他们愿意
the manufacture of the next one 承担下张唱片的制作费
It was all great 一切顺利
The Orchids were with Sarah The Orchids从始至终
for the whole length of the label 都跟随着厂牌
which I guess nobody else was really 我猜没有其他乐队是这样了
And they were a bit a bit kind of naughty 他们有点淘气
I think would be the best way to put it 我想这是最适合的形容词
There was a couple of times we were in 我们一起去过巴黎几次
Paris when one time they 其中一次
sort of rang everyone they knew abroad 他们用酒店电话
on the hotel phone and then 给所有认识的人打长途
Heavenly were the last people to leave Heavenly是最后离开的
and got stuffed with the bill 因为账单被拦住了
And we had to go back and pay it 我们只好回去付了钱
And I dunno they somehow managed to get 不知怎么他们又
trapped in their hotel room but one of them 把自己反锁在了房间里
was claustrophobic so they had to kind of 乐队有人幽闭恐怖
force their way out and the whole 所以只好破门而出
sport of profit for the whole gig 整场演出的收益
went on fixing the hotel room door 都花在修酒店房间门上了
So they had this bad boys of Sarah reputation 他们是Sarah出了名的坏孩子
but I think probably on the 但可能是因为
scale of kind a nunnery Sarah这样一个修道院一样的地方
that made them 才特别显得他们
made them the bad boys of kind of 像托儿所之类的
infant school or something really 坏小孩
A lot of the bands on Sarah Sarah的许多乐队
even though we loved them 尽管我们自己特别喜欢
we'd be lying if we said they could 但要说他们可以上
ever have got on sort of 主流电台的白天档
mainstream daytime radio or anything like that 那一定是在撒谎
But The Orchids were just fantastic songwriters 但The Orchids是非常好的创作者
writing fantastic songs 能写非常美妙的歌
and really anybody from any background any age 任何人 无论背景、年龄
whatever their tastes in music 无论音乐品味如何
really ought to love The Orchids 都理应喜欢上The Orchids
They played Stoke-On-Trent 他们在斯托克城
for two consecutive nights 连演两晚
and ended up sleeping in a field 结果那两晚当中
between the two nights because 只能睡在一片田里
they couldn't find anywhere to stay in Stoke 因为他们找不到落脚的地方
and you just think 这让你觉得
they shouldn't be doing this 这不应该啊
they're far too good for this 这不是他们应得的待遇
We're happy doing, making records 我们喜欢做唱片
We were always happy that we made records 这件事总是让我们很高兴
because Sarah allowed us to 因为Sarah很支持我们
and we were always chuffed with it 对此我们心满意足
When you say to a lot of people 和很多人说起
that we were based in Bristol 我们来自布里斯托
they immediately think of Massive Attack 他们立马想到Massive Attack
and Portishead and the whole trip-hoppy scene Portishead 还有整个trip-hop场景
and obviously we weren't involved 显然我们不属于那类
in that at all and seemed to exist 就像存在于
in a completely parallel universe to that 平行宇宙
I mean there was us 我是说 我们
and there was Subway Records 还有Subway厂牌
and really that was just so completely separate to 和整个trip-hop圈
what was going on or had been going on 已经发生或正在发生的
in the world of trip-hop 没有任何关系
In the whole course of Sarah only two Sarah的整个历史中
of our bands ever came from Bristol 只有两个乐队来自布里斯托
Which I think disappoints a lot of fans 我想这让其他国家的乐迷
from abroad who thought the city was just 失望不已
full of these indie pop hands 他们以为这座城市全是indie pop乐队
and people with bowl cuts 个个留着西瓜头
and floppy fringes and things 或是蓬松刘海
but that never was the case 但这根本不是真的
I think we felt 我们觉得
and I don't think this comes across 虽然大家做的音乐
in the music at all 没有共同之处
but the attitude was very much influenced 但做音乐的态度
by the punk scene 都受到朋克场景影响
And I was eight in 1976 so I mean 1976年我才8岁
I wasn't in any way directly influenced by it 我没有直接被影响
But that idea that anyone can pick up a guitar and play 但人人都能拿起吉他演奏
any one can start a fanzine 人人都能制作fanzine
any one can start a record label 人人都能建厂牌的理念
I mean that was the sort of 正是朋克运动发展
bedrock that it was founded upon 的基石所在
The idea is that you don't have to go along 你不一定要去想
with a corporate idea of what 音乐应该
music should sound like 听上去怎样
You can do your own thing 你可以做你所想
you can be adventurous 去冒险
you can be imaginative 发挥想象力
Also that you don't need to record things expensively 也不用花很多钱录音
You can just record something in a bedroom 可以就在卧室里录
and if the ideas are there 只要有想法
and the feelings are there 有感情
that will be just as valid 你录的音乐
as something that's cost millions 会和那些花费几百万
of pounds to record in the studio 在录音棚里录的有同样效果
Those early Primal Scream records 那些早期的Primal Scream
those first two Primal Scream singles were 他们的头两张单曲
devastatingly inspirational I think 是非常激发灵感的
McCarthy, The June Brides
they were all very inspirational 也都很鼓舞人心
We're called Another Sunny Day 我们是Another Sunny Day
and we're from Penzance 来自彭赞斯
And me and my brother thought 我和我兄弟想
wow that's amazing what is it? 哇这也太棒了
You know it's like 就像是
it sounds like 听上去就像
a Velvet Underground out-take 地下丝绒的片段
And actually all the fuzzy guitars 那模糊的吉他效果
Were not in keeping with actually what people 也和人们印象中典型的Sarah音乐
thought of as the fey Sarah sound 无法联系到一起
It's recorded in a bedroom on a 4-track machine 它是在卧室有用四轨录音机录的
It's pressed on a flexi-disc 然后用薄膜唱片进行压制
It probably is shambling 可能是有点寒碜
Everything is bounced down so many times 一切都经过了反复折损
it's just this wonderful sort of blur of sound 结果就得到了这样一种模模糊糊的声音
But it sounds absolutely fantastic 但听起来实在太棒
and we very much wanted to 我们很想
put it out on a flexi-disc 通过薄膜唱片发行
because that seemed the absolute 因为感觉那是
perfect way of presenting it 最完美的呈现方式
This almost definition of sort of disposable poppiness 是“一次性”流行乐的最佳诠释
He really seems to wear his heart on his sleeve 他好像真的非常坦诚
lyrically as well 歌词也一样
which l find very touching and moving 这非常令我动容
I think it's a theme with 我想这也是
a few of the other Sarah bands as well 其他一些Sarah乐队的主题
I mean they were quite 他们在情感上
emotionally honest I suppose 是非常诚实的
but they weren't necessarily 但也不会非要表达
what was going on in my in my life 我的生活到底怎么了
Thank God 感谢上帝
# I'm in love with a girl # 我爱上了一个女孩
# who doesn't know I exist # 但她并不知道我的存在
Most people who aren't very familiar with the label 大多数不太熟悉厂牌的人
think of Sarah Records 会觉得Sarah Records
they don't think of politics 和政治没什么关系
They think of I don't know 而是想到 我不知道
stroking kittens or something 抚摸小猫什么的吧
I mean Thatcher just seemed to have been in 我的意思是撒切尔好像
you know for people of my generation 对于我们这一辈人来说
Thatcher had just been in power forever 撒切尔好像永远在执政一样
You were either left wing or right wing 你要么是左翼 要么是右翼
A lot of people were really quite vocal about it 许多人对此直言不讳
and that was the backdrop to the scene 这就是Sarah所处的音乐场景
Sarah existed in and we were both 它背后的时代背景
very interested in politics 我们对政治也很感兴趣
The mid to late 80s was a time of 80年代中后期流行
3 track 12 singles, 3 or 4 minute pop song 3首歌的12吋单曲 每首3、4分钟
with some sort of extended version 附一些加长版之类
and it was really just an attempt to 这真的是诱惑你
get you to buy the same thing 一而再再而三地
Twice over or three times over 买同样的东西
You'd have to have two versions 要收集两个版本
with different sleeves 因为有两种封面
and that to us was a political thing 这对我们来说就是政治问题
about consumerism and 是崇尚消费主义
treating your fans like dirt basically 是不尊重歌迷
or really just as you know 或者只想着用大家的钱
people to feed you with cash 来喂饱你自己
I know that the distro they had at the time 我知道当时发行方
did say to them on several occasions 肯定和他们说过好几次
you know if you stop doing these crappy 7" singles 如果你们停止发行这些无用的7吋
and put out a few 12"s 都换成12吋的话
we could all make a bit of brass 大家都能多赚点钱
Just by the act of selling records 仅仅通过卖唱片这种行为
you are being capitalist but you don't 你就成了资本主义者
have to actually abuse the people 但你其实不用真的去压榨
you are taking the money from basically 那些掏钱的人
you don't have to abuse the fans 不用压榨歌迷
We just always wanted to see everything 我们总想从歌迷角度
from the fans point of view and say 看待任何事
how would we feel if we were buying this? 换作我们还会买账吗？
Would we feel ripped off? 会觉得被抢劫吗？
It was around the time that CDs 那段时候正好CD
were really coming into their own 刚开始盛行
but they were ?15 and vinyl albums were probably about ?6 and 但要卖15英镑 而黑胶专辑只要6英镑
it was major labels trying to encourage you 是大厂牌在鼓励你
to re-buy your record collection for quite a lot of money 花大钱重买已经有的收藏
They insisted to release stuff on vinyl 他们坚持发行黑胶
because CDs for them 因为CD对他们来说
was like a bourgeois format 是一种资产阶级的形式
and they thought that 他们认为
everyone's got a record player 人人都有唱机
but if we release stuff on CD 但如果发行CD
then not everyone within our audience base 就不是每个受众
might be able to play it 都能够听了
Which seems pretty curious in retrospect 现在回头看挺稀奇
but it was you know 但要知道
the late 80's and early 90's 当时是80年代末90年代初
You know the first anti-poll tax record 第一张反对人头税的唱片
was done by The Orchids 是The Orchids发行的
Being Scottish we got the poll lax 我们苏格兰比英国其他地方
before the rest of the UK 更早碰上人头税
So we kind of felt disgruntled about that too 所以我们对此挺不高兴的
But The Orchids were completely overlooked 可The Orchids完全被忽视了
because they were quiet and jangly 觉得他们安静 小打小闹
and tuneful and weren't what most people 很有旋律
thought a political band should sound like 和一般政治色彩乐队差太远
But I guess that kind of sums Sarah up 但这就是Sarah吧
A political label is supposed 大家觉得有政治色彩
to look like Crass 就要像Crass
It's supposed to be black sleeves 封面黑漆漆
with slogans all over them 写满标语
and we were never like that 我们从来不那样
And we never wanted to be like that 也没想过变那样
but possibly we'd have got taken 不过可能那么做
more seriously if we had been 会更被当回事吧
The fanzines were a very key part of the label fanzine是厂牌非常关键的一部分
I mean because really 是因为
it was the background we 那是我们的成长环境
came from and the culture we came from 和文化根源
We'd never have started the label 没有fanzine也不会有厂牌
without it so I think giving the fanzines 所以我想给fanzine
catalogue numbers 一个编号
as if they were records was 把它当唱片对待
an acknowledgment of their importance 让大家获悉它们的重要性
in the scene but also I guess they were 但同时 那也是我们
our sort of contribution weren't they'! 辛劳的结果
A really well written fanzine 精心编写的fanzine
should have the same effect on you 应该和听7吋
as listening in a 7' single 有同样效果
You know you read 10 pages in a fanzine 读10页fanzine
and it should make you feel the same 和听一首3分钟流行曲
as listening to 3 minutes of a pop song 感觉应该一样
that was our idea behind it 这就是我们的理念
It was really nice that the people 经营厂牌的人
who ran the label were also involved in 也参与到唱片设计中
making some of the art work as it were 这种做法很好
Kind of feels like we are all together doing this thing 让你觉得大家在一起做这件事
I like the idea that is was this sort of 我喜欢这个点子
package of things that you got 你好像得到了一个大礼包
You got a single and a postcard and 有单曲 有明信片
you'd get some sort of literature attached to that 上面附带一些文学创作
You'd buy this single and 买的是单曲
there'd be this kind of stuff in it 包含的还有其他东西
about this relationship 揭示了人与人的关系
I suppose we did discuss our relationship 我们确实讨论过这种关系
Yes actually I do remember doing that 事实上我还记得当时的情景
And it's just a really weird thing 一个厂牌会这么做
for a record label to do 真的很奇怪
That's a really odd 它既奇怪
kind of personal thing to do 又很个人化
I think we both really wanted to write 我们当时都很想写东西
and we were both very interested in honesty and that it 又都很忠于诚实
fitted with the record label 这和厂牌的气质很搭
because I think a lot of the songwriters were 因为我认为许多创作歌手
you know really opening up their hearts 都非常敞开心扉
and writing quite openly and honestly 创作时对情感关系
about their relationships 非常直率、诚实
And sometimes quite literaturely 有时还很有文学性
I think again that maybe it was a bit of 可能这或多或少
a sort of a feminist thing in it that 有一些女权色彩
you know in that way it's always been OK 男人如果那样谈论性
for men to talk about sex 是没有任何问题的
but it hasn't really been OK for women to 但女人不行
And trying to confront that as well 我们也试图直面这个问题
and pretty much say 说出心声
well women like it too 女人也享受性
I think there was a hit of that in it 这非常关键
I can remember one wonderful gig where 还记得一场很棒的演出
I'd taken some fanzines up to sell 我带了些fanzine去卖
and just standing at the corner of this 14 Iced Bears gig 14 Iced Bears在台上演出 我站在角落
and not even having to go up to people 都不用挨个找人问
“Fanzine要吗？” and say“ Do you want to buy a fanzine?"
Just people coming up to me the whole time 一直有人主动跑来问
because that is what the scene 因为那时的音乐场景
was like at the time 就是这样
everybody in a 14 Iced Bears gig 出现在14 Iced Bears演出的人
would be the sort of person 都是那种
who'd want to buy a fanzine 想买fanzine的人
and would probably go off 可能回去后
and write their own fanzine as well 他们也会有自己的fanzine
so that was just a wonderful sort of atmosphere 这样的演出
to be a gigs like that 氛围太好了
We'd just get drunk and like stoned 我们喝醉呼大
virtually every gig you know 每场演出如此
we'd just go up in a van and 我们坐进面包车
We'd treat it like a party a bit 一路上就派对起来
so we'd end up at gigs 把情绪一直带到演出上
there was one gig we did where 其中一场
the bass player was dribbling over the amp and stuff 贝司手的口水都滴到音箱设备上了
But people don't think of that 可大家不这样想
They think you're a Sarah band 他们觉得你是Sarah的乐队
they think you're really clean cut 应该很规矩
and like not into rock and roll at all 好像一点不喜欢摇滚乐
But maybe that was the problem 可能正因如此
maybe that's why we left 我们才离开了厂牌
But we more into that 可我们也很喜欢
sort of side still as well 自己在Sarah的那一面
The Poppyheads summed up the spirit of the time really The Poppyheads体现了时代特点
It was stand up drums, fuzzy guitars 突出的鼓点 嗡嗡的吉他
People that couldn't really sing properly 其实不太会唱歌
but what the hell 但谁又在乎呢
With the flexi-disc I did on Sha La La 在Sha La La发行薄膜唱片后
one day the post came through the door 有天邮递员上门
and there was an envelope 给了我一个信封
with a Glasgow post mark on it 上面盖着格拉斯哥的邮戳
And when I opened it up there was a copy 我打开
of the Poppyheads flexi in it 是一张The Poppyheads的薄膜
and I thought it was somebody just 我以为有人
returning a faulty copy 把错版退给我
And then I saw something brown in it 我发现里面有褐色的东西
and thought oh somebody's sent me some chocolate 以为是巧克力
Because that's the sort of thing 那时候
that people used to do in those days 的确有不少人这么做
And then I caught the whiff of the smell 然后我闻到难闻的气味
that was coming off it and realized 从信封里散发出来
it was something brown that wasn't chocolate 才意识到不是什么巧克力
That shows you the sort of thing 这些是我们
that we did have to put up with 不得不去承受的
People did have really extreme reactions 人们对我们的一些东西
to some of the stuff we were putting out 会有非常极端的反应
We got quite a lot of dissent 他们的第一张单曲出来时
even by the time of the first single 我们收到过许多差评
People were writing to us saying 人们写信给我们说
Oh we don't like The Golden Dawn 我们不喜欢The Golden Dawn
That doesn't really fit with our idea of 他们的音乐不是我们心中
of what the label you know ought to be like 厂牌该有的样子
And I think people still say to us 现在还会有人问
you never really did like The Golden Dawn did you? 你们从来不喜欢The Golden Dawn吧？
And we both absolutely loved them 但事实上我们非常喜欢
And you know to be honest 实话说
if there had been more bands 如果当时有更多
in that kind of genre who'd come along 那种风格
who we liked as much we would have put 我们也同样喜欢的话
more of that kind of music out 我们会发更多那样的音乐
Because we both really like it 我们真的都很喜欢
I mean we were both huge 举例来说
Jesus and Mary Chain fans for instance 我们都是Jesus and Mary Chain的铁杆歌迷
so that sort of Glasgow fuzzy pop sound 那种格拉斯哥式的嗡嗡流行音乐
is right up our street really 真的很对我们胃口
You know it wasn't like the Golden Dawn The Golden Dawn的音乐
were like Einstürzenden Neubauten or something 并不像Einstürzende Neubauten之类
It was just like distorted guitars 只有失真的吉他
you know people really weren't having it 人们喜欢不了那种音乐
The Springfields are so American The Springfieds很美国
and America was so far away 而美国离我们太遥远了
I think back then 那时候
You know before we all had the internet 我们还没有互联网
and before flights got stupidly cheap 国际机票也没有那么便宜
So for this little slice of America 所以当美国的小小一角
for that to kind of roll up on your doorstep 出现在门前的台阶上
in a rainy basement flat in Bristol 来到布里斯托的潮湿地下室公寓
It was like something from 对我们来说就好像
another world in many ways 另一个世界来的东西
And we had to ring them 我们不得不
from the phone box on Blackboy Hill 去街上找电话亭给他们打电话
I do remember that 我还记得
That was an international call to Chicago 一通打到芝加哥的国际长途
made at about 8 o'clock at night 大概晚上八点的样子
from a phone box 从电话亭
With coins 还是投币的
Ringing this bloke in Chicago 打到芝加哥某个街区
who spoke really slowly I remember 电话里对方还讲得很慢
He does speak very slowly 他的确讲很慢
Speed up! Speed up! 快点！快点！
10P's going in 赶紧再投10便士
So I think we must have got the phone 后来很快我们就
fairly soon after that 给自己安了电话
I think it did become a bit ridiculous 事情有点搞大了
actually yeah 没错
We made a demo and we sent it to Sarah 我们做了一盘小样寄给Sarah
We also sent it to Cherry Red 同时也寄给了Cherry Red
Rough Trade and Factory 还有Rough Trade和Factory
I love the idea that we had the nerve 我们当时可真有勇气
to send it to Factory 敢把小样寄给Factory
they must have laughed 他们一定笑死了
And Sarah actually got back to us Sarah真的回复了
They were the only record label 只有这个厂牌回了
that got back to us and said yeah 他们说 不错
The Field Mice
They're probably 他们大概是
the hardest band it is for us 我们最难
to be unemotional about I think 不带感情描述的乐队
We sort of saw them go from 我们差不多见证了他们
you know a little tape with the world's 从只发过一盘小小的磁带
sort of sweetest hand written letter 附有全世界最甜蜜的手写信
songs recorded in the bedroom 歌都是在卧室录的
you know band that didn't really exist 几乎称不上乐队的乐队
Through to 逐渐发展到
I mean I guess a band who were 我觉得差不多是
really on the cusp of something 所能达到的巅峰
Who had quite a lot of acclaim 赢得了许多赞誉
and you know played some quite big gigs 演了一些相当大型的演出
and were really very popular so 真的很受欢迎
You know to have been part of that journey 当你处于这整个历程中时
doesn't really leave you untouched 很难不为之动容
I was at school with Bobby 我和Bobby是同学
We were at high school together 是同所高中的
so we knew each other from when we were about 15 我们大约15岁就认识了
If you wanted to have a title 如果要起个名字
a good title for a Field Mice 我认为最合适The Field Mice合集
compilation record would be 的名字应该是
'Growing Up In Public' I think 《Growing Up In Public》
We didn't know what we were doing 单曲《Emma's House》出来前
Before Emma's House came out 我们都不知道自己在做什么
we'd only been playing for about 3 months 4 months 才组建了三四个月
You know, not a long time 真的不算太久
You know I think you change quite a lot 要知道在那个年纪
at that age and you maybe change 你会改变许多
daily back and forth 甚至一天里都会反复
And I think their music almost reflects that 他们的音乐正反映了这点
I mean one minute they are country 前一分钟可能还是乡村
the next they're sort of dance 下一分钟就成了舞曲
the next they're back to writing ballads 接着又回到抒情小调路线
And I think the diversity of it is 我认为这种多样性
really just phenomenal to be honest 实话说是非常惊人的
There were a lot of different sounds 当时有许多
going around at that time you know 不同的音乐风格并存
It was the start I suppose of grunge Grunge刚刚兴起
but then there were also bands like the Stone Roses 也有The Stone Roses那样的乐队
New Order were there making great dance music New Order创作了一些非常棒的舞曲
There were a lot of different influences 存在许多不同的影响
around and we were never thinking 我们从没想过
we mustn't listen to that 一定不能听某些音乐
We played dates but a lot of the time 我们有过一些演出 但大多数时候
when it was just the two of us it was very 只有我们两个人 感觉非常
it wasn't very much 真的不太……
it wasn't fun 不太有趣
You know we never came off stage thinking 我们走下台的时候
yeah rock and roll you know! 从没有非常摇滚的感觉
Or that was fantastic 觉得刚刚演得很好
No we generally went on stage very scared 通常都是胆战心惊地上台
and got off stage very scared 然后胆战心惊地下台
When Harvey joined Harvey（Williams）加入以后
we had another guitar 我们加了一把吉他
and sometimes a keyboard part 有时还有键盘
which gave us a bit more sound 让我们的音乐多了点层次
So once Harvey came in Harvey来了以后
it became more enjoyable for me 演出比以前享受得多 对我而言
It was fantastic 那种感觉很妙
Yeah it was really, 真的是
you know it was like being in a proper band 感觉加入了一支真正的乐队
And certainly when we then got 后来有了Mark打鼓
Mark in the drummer and Anne Mari Anne Mari也加入以后
it was like you know a full proper band 感觉全员都到齐了
We played a gig in Toulouse 我们在图卢兹演了一场
and we were driving to this place 是开车去的
and it was through fields and fields 路过一大片向日葵
of sunflowers and it was just gorgeous 景色非常美丽
Absolutely gorgeous but it was 绝对壮观
in the middle of nowhere 但前不着村后不着店
and you think oh this is going to be 你开始想
one of those gigs were there's 接下来的某场演出
like 12 people at the front and you are 可能台下会只有12个人
looking into their eyes playing 就这样大眼瞪小眼地演出
and it's all a bit awkward 场面一定会非常尴尬
And it was just amazing 但结果完全出乎意料
I don't know where these people came from 我都不知道这些人从哪里来的
but it was packed 但是场地满了
And suddenly there was this French mosh pit 然后人群突然就mosh了起来
and they all knew every word 他们还知道
to every song and it was 每首歌的每句歌词
that was fantastic 太不可思议了
You just think 你会想
where did everybody come from? 这些人到底是从哪来的？
You know fundamentally 根本上来说
the songs were built from Bobby's creations 这些歌都出自Bobby之手
There was no jamming or anything like that 没有任何即兴成分
Bobby would right say here's Bobby会对你说
a song that I've written 这是我写的一首歌
The chords were done 和弦已经完成了
the arrangement was pretty much done 我肯定在他脑子里
in his head I'm sure 整个编曲也差不多搞完了
the music, the words were always ready 音乐歌词也都就绪
Yeah it's you know, Bobby is the talent 你知道的 Bobby就是一个天才
I genuinely think Robert Wratten 我真心觉得Robert Wratten
is one of you know the great English songwriters 是非常伟大的英国创作人之一
You feel like you've got this almost portal 你会感觉自己好像找到了
into his world and his life 通往他的内心、生活
and his emotions 和情感世界的入口
So I think that's one of the things 我想这就是为什么
that made them so popular with people 他们如此受欢迎的原因之一
I think that real sort of emotional fragility as well 他不惧怕表露
that he wasn't afraid to display 自己的那种情感脆弱
Something comes across through those vocals 从那些歌声和歌词里
and through those lyrics 传递出的东西
that seems incredibly personal 是极为个人的
You know like more personal than 超出了大多数其他乐队
than most bands ever allow themselves to be 允许自我暴露情感的底线
Really going against the grain of a lot of the stuff 这和当时其他许多人的做法
that was around at the time 是截然不同的
This was a time when 那是Nirvana和Oasis
Nirvana and Oasis were big 正当红的时期
And the mood was very much whatever 大家都是一副无所谓的样子
you know whereas here came along a band 然而出现了这样一个乐队
and a label 和这样一个厂牌
that for me was saying 告诉我说
that it's worth striving after truth 追求真理是值得的
it's worth striving after beauty 追求美感是值得的
Working with them was sometimes quite emotional 和他们的合作有时会非常情绪化
I mean really they wanted to spend time 他们想要花时间
in the studio and experiment 在录音棚里捣鼓尝试
And we wanted them to write songs 而我们则要他们写歌
be very sure about what they wanted to do 要非常明确想做什么
and then go into the studio 等进棚时
having planned out 已经计划好
what they were going to do 接下来要怎么做
Spending the minimum amount of money possible 尽可能少花钱
to come out with the maximum result possible 得到最好的结果
because we were writing the cheque 因为我们才是写支票的人
I mean that's always a conflict with bands 这一点总和乐队的想法有冲突
but 但是
I mean for us we didn't really want to put 对我们而言 我们并不想
or we weren't willing to put 或者说不愿意
the whole label on the line 赔上整个厂牌
Which I think we could have conceivably 也许我们本可以允许
done for a band to experiment 一支乐队这样折腾
That wasn't really a possibility for us 但我们不可能真这么做
and you know you see obviously 你就看看
other labels who have done that 其他这么做的厂牌
and have lost the label 最终一无所有
You know much as we like them 再怎么喜欢他们
it was never going to be a blank cheque 也不可能给他们空白支票去挥霍
I mean it was run Sarah一直处于
on such a shoe string Sarah 非常紧张的运营状态
Certainly in the early days 特别是早期的时候
I mean I can remember I used to go out 还记得那时我常常
every morning to get the cheap bread 每天早上去买便宜面包
Because every day they would have 面包店总有
the loaves from the day before 前一天剩下的
they were a day old therefore 放了超过一天的
they would sell them off cheap 会大甩卖
So I would just go down 所以我就每天早上
and do that every morning 去买那些面包
And you know actually going to gigs 每次去现场
to sell vinyl and stuff like that 卖黑胶和其他东西
We would hitch 也都搭便车
We'd stand by the M32 or go out to the M5 我们会站在M32公路边 或去M5
and hitch to whichever gig we were going to 然后搭便车去我们要去的演出
When the Field Mice played Rawenstall 有次The Field Mice在Rawenstall演
which is a small village 那是曼彻斯特北面
just north of Manchester 一个很小的镇子
and we ended up sleeping on a hillside 最后我们是在一个山坡上
in a sleeping bag overnight 裹着睡袋过的夜
having hitched up the day before 前一天才搭便车到了那里
and you do wonder how many other 你会很想知道究竟多少其他厂牌
record labels would do this 也会这么做
I mean it was always about the cheapest way 我们总是坚持用最省钱的方法
to do things so if it look 去完成一件事
an extra 5 hours to do it that way 即使要多花五个小时
we would still do it the cheapest way 我们还是会采取最便宜的方式
I think one thing that not a lot of people 我想有件事许多人
never really understood was how much 永远不会真正理解
really boring drudge work 就是运营厂牌
running a label is 包含了多少极乏味的工作
I mean in my case a lot of what 就我而言
I spent my time doing was the actual 我大部分时间
art work side of things 都在做艺术设计的事
Which again because of the era this was 因为那个年代
before computer aided design all that 还没什么电脑辅助
It was mostly rubbing down Letraset 基本靠自己拓印
because we didn't use any typesetting 我们没有任何排版
If you wanted typesetting in those days 如果想要排版
you had to send your text away 你需要把文字
to a professional typesetters 送到专业排版工那里
Who would charge you something like 排一段字
?40 for a paragraph of text 就要收大概40英镑
It does seem extraordinary now that 相比起来现在简直太先进了
you can you know digital cameras 你可以用数码相机
you don't have to worry about screening photos 不用担心如何影印照片
and typesetting is just automatic on the computer so 排版在电脑上自动完成
No they were dark days 那段时间真是够苦逼的
Clare and Matt always told me that Clare和Matt总是说
I was the only person who bought 我是唯一一个
a St Christopher t-shirt 买了St Christopher T恤的人
I find that really hard to believe 这很难令人相信
because I thought they were amazing 因为我觉得他们太棒了
but I don't ever remember actually them 但我确实不记得别人
ever being anyone's favourite Sarah Records band 把他们视作最爱的Sarah乐队
To me they sounded like the Walker Brothers 我觉得他们听起来像The Walker Brothers
I thought they were great 所以很厉害
They were a band who really seemed to divide people 他们就是那种有人爱有人恨的乐队
I think they were quite 他们非常……
well they are really quite unique 那么独一无二
I think there is something quite epic about them 有一些很耀眼的色彩
A lot of bands have tried 许多乐队都想
to sound like Brighter 听起来像Brighter
Because the Brighter sound is essentially 因为Brighter本质上说
I'm sure Keris won't mind me saying it 我相信Keris不会介意
it's a very simple sound 是非常简单的音乐
And it sounds like it should be the 简单到听上去
easiest sound in the world to do 再容易做不过了
But it isn't 但其实并不是这样
as is often the way with very simple things 简单的东西总是这样的
It's actually the most difficult thing 能用简单的音乐
in the world to have such a simple sound 做出不凡的感觉
and make it distinctive at the same time 这其实是全世界最难的事
D chord D和弦
D chord was very important D和弦非常重要
That was a remarkable discovery 这是一个重大的发现
when I realized that you just needed 后来我才意识到
to learn about four chords and then 只要学会大约4个和弦
just pluck a D shape over the top 然后按一个D和弦的手势
and that was Brighter 这就是Brighter了
Something about the sort of repetition and the 这种好像不断重复
and the sound and the 的声音
it just sort of envelops you 就好像包裹了你
I think listening in Brighter is a bit like 我觉得听Brighter
being hack in the womb or something 有点像回到子宫
It's very safe and comfortable 安全又舒适
and nice and warm 美好又温暖
We were sort of seen to be a hand who were 我们被视作
kind of all about emotions and moods 抒发情感、情绪的乐队
but not really a conventional pop band 而不是传统的流行乐队
Which actually wasn't something 小样里其实
that was portrayed by the demos 并没体现出来
Because on the demos 因为在小样里
which I sent loads and loads of songs 我放了许许多多歌
to Matt and Clare originally 给到Matt和Clare
you know they had a lot to choose from 他们有太多选择
A lot of those songs were very very poppy 其中很多听上去非常流行
The ones that Matt and Clare always 最终Matt和Clare挑选
selected for us to record 让我们去录的歌
I mean I think they were quite instrumental in constructing 我认为都非常器乐化
I suppose what was the 这一点逐渐形成了
public image of Brighter Brighter标志性的声音
When they did their album we were 他们做那张专辑的时候
in the studio with them kind of 我们和他们一起在录音棚
I guess kind of co-producing 算是联合制作吧
so we possibly rather imposed ourselves I suppose 或许我们是有点强势了
And it didn't actually go terribly well 最后事情也不太顺利
I think we ended up recording that record 我想最终我们录了
two and a half times 两遍半的样子
You know I've got very vivid memories 我记得很清楚
of that time of Matt sort of sitting 那时候Matt坐在
in a chair in the corner with his 角落的椅子上
knees lucked under his chin 下巴搁在蜷缩的膝盖上
with a pullover pulled over his head 头埋在套衫里
And Clare biting her lip and saying Clare则咬着嘴唇说
"I don't like bass turn the bass down" “我不喜欢贝斯 音量小一些”
But we had fun at the same time I think? 但同时我们也挺开心的
I think we were quite dictatorial 我们当时都挺独裁的
I think sometimes bands aren't 有时候乐队
the best judge of what their best songs are 没法判断自己的哪首歌最好
so I think there's some defense for us 所以我们来挑的时候
in doing that 乐队是有些抵触的
We were kind of you know 我们就像是
really strict editors I suppose 非常严格的编辑
So I do have some sympathy with them but 我挺同情他们的
it was our record label 可厂牌毕竟是我们的呢
I remember reading one review from the 80's 我记得读过80年代一篇
of The Wake and it said something like 有关The Wake的评论说
"The Wake are like if New Order got really, really good" “The Wake就像变得非常非常好的New Order”
I've always agreed with that 我一直很同意这句话
I've always thought that The Wake 我一直认为The Wake
are kind of what New Order were trying to be 就是New Order试图成为
and kind of fell short of it 却没能成为的那种乐队
When The Wake signed to Sarah The Wake被Sarah签下时
and we got to meet them it was just like 我们见到了他们
Oh my God you know 哦 上帝
那是Caesar!（*乐队吉他手Gerard "Caesar" McInulty）
The Wake are unusual because The Wake不同寻常
they had a career before Sarah 在Sarah之前就小有成就
they came from Factory Records 是从Factory跳槽过来的
It was actually through The Orchids 我们是通过The Orchids
that we acquired The Wake if you like 询问The Wake是否想加入
because Caesar from the Wake 因为The Wake主唱Caesar
had produced the first Orchids single 给Orchids制作了第一张单曲
We sort of fell we had to explain to him 我们觉得应该解释清楚
that we weren't like Factory Records 我们和Factory不一样
just in case he'd got completely the wrong idea 以防他抱有完全错误的想法
and thought he was moving from Factory in a similar label 以为又进了一个类似Factory的厂牌
The Wake's LP they put out on Sarah The Wake在Sarah出的第一张专辑
is fantastic 简直太无与伦比了
And it's another great example of why 这又是个很好的例子
I don't think there is such a thing 证明Sarah的乐队
as a Sarah band 并非千人一面
You know if anybody said 如果有人说
the Wake are a Sarah band The Wake就是支Sarah乐队
a jingle jangle, twee pop Sarah band 带噪音的童真流行Sarah乐队
it's just stupidity 那简直太愚蠢了
They're not 完全不是那样
they are amazing 他们就是很棒
Action Painting! were a great kind of Action Painting! 来自布莱顿
real kind of fuck you band from Brighton 一支无所顾忌的乐队
who loved all the kind of 他们喜欢各式各样的
anorak, cutie kind of music 古怪又可爱的音乐
but had a real attitude to go alongside it 同时又有真正的态度
At the time in Britain there was 当时英国乐坛
an awful lot of shoegaze stuff 充斥着许多钉鞋音乐
There was hangover from the so called 还有acid house 仿佛无数个爱的夏天
umpteenth summer of love, acid house 给人带来的宿醉
There was stuff like The Orb 还有The Orb那样的音乐
everyone was loved up 每个人都沉迷其中
didn't give a toss 完全不管不顾
You know there was no passion 没有真正的激情
A lot of the people who liked the more 许多人偏爱更抒情的
gentle stuff really didn't like 所以他们不喜欢The Golden Dawn
and then they didn't like Action Painting! 也不喜欢Action Painting!
And then they saw all of those things 他们把那些乐队
as aberrations or anomalies 都视为异类
whereas actually if you 事实上如果你
put them all together 把几个乐队放一起
and then Boyracer later 再加上后来的Boyracer
you've actually got a theme that runs 就能发现贯穿整个厂牌的一个主题
through the whole label of the noisier pop 就是想要更噪音一些的流行乐
and the more sort of fuzz pop 多一些糊糊的流行乐
Punky pop stuff 还有朋克流行
You can't discount all of that I don't think 你无法将它们排除在外 我不觉得你能这么做
I was really excited 签下Heavenly时
when we signed Heavenly 我非常兴奋
because I'd been a big Talulah Gosh fan 我是Talulah Gosh的狂热歌迷
the band that most of them 乐队大部分成员
were in before Heavenly 都在那里呆过
Talulah Gosh were like Talulah Gosh第一次出现时
just about the best pop band in the world 就好像是
when they first appeared 全世界最好的流行乐队
So in Talulah Gosh we all wrote songs 在Talulah Gosh的时候 我们都会写歌
and it was fairly democratic and I found 乐队里还是相当民主的
I didn't like singing the lyrics 我渐渐发现我不喜欢
that other people had written 唱别人写的歌词
And therefore in Heavenly said 所以在Heavenly的时候 我就说
OK this is going to be the way 乐队要按照
I want it to be 我想要的方式去做
Because I was like what? 我当时的反应是 你说什么？
Why did Talulah Gosh break up? 为什么要解散Talulah Gosh？
Why did you have to start over? 为什么要从头来过？
She was like 她就回答
oh it just wasn't working out and 这样下去行不通
she said that when she's in the band 她说当她在乐队里的时候
she has to be the dictator 必须成为一名独裁者
and if it can't work that way then 如果事情没法那样进行
they just had to start over 就得从头来过
And so they did 所以他们就那么做了
But you know 但是你要知道
She's a benevolent dictator 她是一个仁慈的独裁者
Yeah so I think it was probably fair 所以我想这样可能是公平的
At least I hope it was benevolent 至少我希望仁慈待人
but it probably was dictatorship 但可能确实挺独裁的
You know it was just so great 在Sarah厂牌里
to have a band on Sarah where 有这样一个由女性主导的乐队
the band was driven by the woman 简直太好了
You know it was women singing 女性在台前唱歌
it was women writing the songs 在幕后写词
Everything from the female perspective 一切从女性角度出发
Talulah Gosh were like this perfect Talulah Gosh就好像是一个完美的
sort of pop punk crossover 流行朋克的融合体
Just perfect 非常完美
absolutely perfect in every way 每个方面都绝对完美
And then with Heavenly what they did is 到了Heavenly他们则变得
they just moved slightly more pop 稍稍又流行了一些
And it was even more perfect 这样就更加完美了
I mean how can that possibly be? 我是说这怎么可能？
How can you get more perfect than perfect? 怎么可能比完美更上一层？
For the first couple of albums 最初几张专辑中
the songs were kind of boy meets girl 歌里唱的都差不多都是男孩遇上女孩
kind of quite happy 比较快乐
Then riot girl came along in America 然后Riot Grrrl运动在美国兴起
and we were actually in America when it was 这股风潮席卷美国的时候
just kind of starting to get really big 我们恰好在那里
And we knew all the people involved because 我们认识所有参与其中的人
they were people we knew via K Records 都是之前通过K Records认识的
And I was really inspired by it 我当时真的很受启发
I probably like C is the Heavenly Option 我最喜欢的歌曲
as a song the best 是那首“C is the Heavenly Option”
And I was incredibly proud of Calvin's Calvin的人声让我很自豪
vocals on it which are just great 他的声音太棒了
I remember when we first put the tape 还记得第一次把磁带
into the tape machine because we did it 放到磁带机里
Transatlantically 因为我们是异地录音的
we were just all falling about laughing 我们都开怀大笑起来
because it was so great 因为听起来实在太棒了
The fact that I was male 我是男性
and Clare was female was Clare是女性的事实
was clearly a major factor in the label 显然是厂牌的一个重要因素
because that was incredibly 因为在当时
rare at the time 这非常罕见
To have Clare there, running the label 作为一个才19岁的女性
as a nineteen year old female, was you know Clare运营着厂牌
was absolutely inspirational 这非常鼓舞人心
from my point of view 从我的观点来看
You know I think for Clare it was quite a struggle 这件事对Clare来说还挺挣扎的
She would get very annoyed quite rightly 如果有文章写运营厂牌的
if an article was essentially in terms of 是Matt Haynes和他女朋友Clare
Matt Haynes and his girlfriend Clare running the label 她马上会很生气
Or when people would ring up 或者有人打电话来
and clearly assume that if she answered 如果是她接的
the phone she was some sort of secretary 对方直接假设她是秘书那类角色
and wait to be passed over to me 等她把电话转给我
I remember having a big row with a French 记得有次我和一个法国……
I think it was a French record label 我想应该是一个法国厂牌
who were licensing our stuff 想获得我们的许可
who had taken out a big advert 他们要给一些引进音乐
for a bunch of the stuff they licensed 做个很大的广告
with basically a topless woman on it 上面基本就是个没穿上衣的女性
And us being right on the phone to them 我们在电话里当场
to complain and them saying well 就抱怨 他们回应说
"I don't know what your problem is “我不知道你有什么问题
no one else has complained" 没人抱怨过这个”
And us going well it's a real issue for us 我们说 这真的非常严重
and you can't do this 你不能这样做
Going back to the politics 一旦涉及到政治
and it being subtle I mean 就会很敏感
one thing we never did is put 有件事我们从没做过
pictures of women on record sleeves 就是在封套上用女性照片
Because that's such an obvious 因为那是一种赤裸裸的
marketing device and particularly 营销手段
sadly in the sort of indie music 在我们身处的独立乐界
we were involved with 这点尤其令人感到悲哀
You'd always get record sleeves with 你总能看到封面上
60's chicks on or Audrey Hepburn 印着60年代美女
on the front 或者奥黛丽·赫本
All these sort of very tired 全都是令人厌倦的
and obvious images 直白图像
And we just made a rule right from 所以从创立之初
the start that we would never have 我们就定下原则
a woman on a record sleeve 封套上永远不出现女性
But you know we never made a 从未刻意
big thing deal of it, it's just what we did 就是这样做了
What I like most about them was their 我最喜欢他们的一点是
obsession with hand written letters 对手写信的迷恋
And I wrote to Clare 我写信给Clare
complaining that I wasn't 抱怨我没有收到
getting the postcards and things 明信片和其他
they would send out to the mailing list 发给邮寄名单的东西
And my girlfriend at the time was 我女朋友在名单上
So I said I don't seem to be 我说我好像没在
on your erratic mailing list 你们这个莫名其妙的名单上
and she wrote me this 她回信了
And even this is ridiculous that someone 一个厂牌运营者
who is running a record label even bothers 洋洋洒洒回复了那么多
to write that much stuff 让人难以置信
And it says "it's not erratic 她说 我们的名单没有莫名其妙
just full of people who write us letters 全是给我们写过信的人
而你并没有 and you don't!“
Triple exclamation marked, underline 附三个感叹号和下划线
This is a record label that's actually 这是一个会因为
angry when the people who buy their records 你买了唱片但不写信给他们
don't write to them 而生气的厂牌
Matt wrote to me all the time Matt总写信给我
You know I was provoking him to writing me 我一直刺激他写
you know because I was continually 我不停地
sending him stamped addressed envelopes 给他寄盖好戳写好地址的信封
and all of this kind of thing 诸如此类
But he seemed perfectly happy 但他好像乐此不疲
you know I don't know 我不知道
I don't really know 我真不太理解
how he got on with his life 他到底什么生活状态
Because I'm sure I wasn't the only person 因为我敢肯定我不是唯一
he was writing back to in that way 他那样回信的人
So he must have spent all day 所以他一定每天在
writing letters to kind of people 埋头写信给各种
he didn't know 他不认识的人
It never occurred to us at the time 我们也想不出
to do anything else 还有什么可做
So every record that went out 每张唱片出来
we would put a little note in 我们会在里面写个小便笺
And people clearly liked this but 很明显人们喜欢这样
I just can't understand the labels 我不能理解
that didn't do that 为什么有人从来不这么做
Just on a pure courtesy level 纯粹从礼貌角度
it just seems a nice thing to do 也是很好的方式
You know you have a sense 你可能会感觉
with some record labels that they are 一些厂牌
very much looking down on the little people 非常看不起普通乐迷
who aren't on the guest list 那些不在嘉宾名单上的人
You know that seems to me to be 对我来说那是在
despising normal people and the way they 鄙夷普通人
you know most of us live our lives 以及大多数人的生活方式
So we were never looking to sort of 所以我们从不会
separate ourselves off I don't think 让自己脱离群众
We'd occasionally get people sort of 偶尔会有人
coming to visit us because in the 拜访我们
early days we had our address 因为起初我们把住址
on the record sleeves 印在唱片封面上
which was probably a mistake 那可能是个错误
Just sometimes it was hard 有时很难
to get the work done because 完成手头工作
people would rock up on your doorstep 因为有人会敲你家门
and want a tour of Bristol and 想要参观布里斯托
sometimes they were absolutely great 有时来访者人很好
and you'd hit it off with them 你和他们一见如故
and have a wonderful day 度过开心一天
Or sometimes it was a little inconvenient 但有时就不太方便
if you were trying to do something 如果你正忙着的话
They did tell me 他们说过
and I probably shouldn't admit this 或许我不该说的
But they did tell me that sometimes 但他们确实和我说过
they would hide behind the sofa 有时他们会躲在沙发背后
because they just 因为真的
they had too much to do and they couldn't 有太多工作要做
afford half an hour to have a cup of tea 没法分出半小时
with an indie fan from somewhere 和从某处
that had kind of basically turned up 不请自来的
at their front door unannounced 独立乐迷一起喝杯茶
So they used to hide 所以他们常常会选择躲起来
I'm sure they wouldn't like 他们肯定不想
people to know that 让大家知道这事
The Sweetest Ache were from South Wales The Sweetest Ache来自南威尔士
from Swansea 斯旺西
One of our two Welsh bands 也是我们厂牌唯二的威尔士乐队之一
I remember the recording session for 还记得他们录
the first single Tell Me How I Feels 首单《Tell Me How I Feels》时的情形
in particular which we did 特别是当时
at an overnight session 他们选了通宵录音
And I think they decided to book the 我想之所以这样
overnight session because it was cheaper 是因为那个时段比较便宜
And I think everybody by the time 刚开始没多久
we'd started was regretting it 大家就后悔了
And everybody was just falling asleep 录音还在进行
as the whole thing was going on 每个人都已昏昏欲睡
And it just sounds wonderful 结果听起来很棒
it just has this wonderful warm 有种非常温暖
slightly sleepy sound to it 带点困乏的效果
but I think largely that was because 主要是因为
it was recorded in the middle of the night 是在半夜录的
They had a slightly bloody minded quality 他们有种故作不配合的气质
in the same way that The Field Mice did 就和The Field Mice一样
And I remember they went on tour to promote the album 为宣传专辑巡演时
and the gig in Bristol they did 在布里斯托的
at the Fleece & Firkin Fleece & Firkin有一场演出
they insisted on sitting on stools 他们坚持要坐在凳子上
to play their guitars and not playing 弹吉他
any of the songs off the album 并且不演任何专辑曲目
At the time it was really annoying 当时我们很恼火
but in retrospect you could probably say 但回过头看 或许可以说
it was just them being determined 他们只是在
to get their own way 坚持自我
I think the fact that our bands 我认为我们的乐队来自
came from all over was 世界各地
more by chance and was more 更多是因为机缘巧合
part of the fact that we weren't in bands 还有我们自己并不玩乐队
ourselves and weren't part of a music scene 不属于任何圈子
I think we've both always kind of been 我想我们两个一直
happier communicating by writing people 更乐于写信和人交流
letters than sort of face to face in 而不是经常面对面
pubs or clubs or something quite often 在酒吧 俱乐部那类场所
Well the connection with Sarah initially 和Sarah扯上关系
happened by the band 刚开始是因为乐队
Putting out a 7" EP in Australia 在澳洲发了一张7吋EP
John Peel actually started playing the b-side John Peel播放了这张EP的B面
So it was initially through 所以最开始
John Peel's support that Sarah Records 是因为John Peel的青睐
noticed the band and then 才让Sarah注意到我们
approached the band with the view of 然后他们联系乐队
putting out the records in the UK 打算在英国发行它们
Even As We Speak I mean Even As We Speak
are another of those hands 是又一个乐队
that you just think 你会觉得
should have been absolutely huge 绝对应该成为大牌
because it is just absolutely 他们特别直接
straightforward, classic songwriting 创作套路经典
They spent a whole year over here 他们在英国呆了整整一年
and came over a couple of times 也来演过好几次
They were based in Sydney 他们以前住悉尼
And you know toured, gigged 在这里各种巡演 演出
did a Peel session 录了一个Peel Session
tried really hard to make a go of it 非常努力非常拼
Falling Down The Stairs was getting played “Falling Down The Stairs”有一阵
every day on Radio 1 for a while Radio 1天天播
while we were there 我们在英国时
We would be driving around 坐在面包车里
in the van and we'd go 电台冒出了我们的歌
"Well there it is again" “听，又放了”
You know which was kind of an 这其实
exciting thing for us too 对我们来说也挺兴奋
because Radio 1 had a big listenership 因为听Radio 1的人很多
We did realize at that time that if we 我们确实意识到
wanted to go further we would 如果想走得更远
need to move to a bigger label 我们要转投更大的厂牌
We couldn't have gone 和Sarah一起
any further with Sarah 没法走得更远了
I think that was pretty clear 这显而易见
So we actually did do a round of the 所以我们和当时
major record labels in London at that time 伦敦几家大厂牌都谈过
You know we got positive feedback 我们从大厂牌那里
from the major labels 获得了不错的反馈
The caveat for them was that we needed to 但他们的附加要求就是
move to the UK permanently 我们必须永久搬来英国
and we needed to agree to live in the UK 必须同意住在英国
For a whole range of reasons for us 因为种种原因
that was very difficult to do 做到这点非常困难
Not the least which was Mary our singer 很关键的就是主唱Mary
had left behind her son in Australia 无法把她儿子留在澳洲
So she was separated from her own son 否则就要骨肉分离了
And for anyone that's been a parent 对任何当爸妈的人来说
I'm a parent now 我现在也是一个父亲
that's a pretty serious proposition 要分离那么久
to be separated for that long 这事非常严肃
So there was a range of personal reasons 就因为这一系列个人原因
that made it difficult for us to relocate 我们很难移居到英国
We both liked Bristol 我们都喜欢布里斯托
we wanted to live here 很想住在这里
we wanted to be here 在这里生活
And it's an absolutely fantastic beautiful city 这个城市那么美轮美奂
that always seemed to be a bit 却总感觉有些
sort of under appreciated 被低估
I think we always used to have 我们以前常
this sort of way of judging travel guides 这样评判英格兰旅游指南
on England by how many pages were on 就是比较描述巴斯和
Bristol compared with Bath 布里斯托各有几页
and if they had more on Bath than Bristol 如果巴斯比布里斯托多
then you weren't very interested in the book 这本就不用看了
Because there's so much here 有太多值得一去的
and it just wasn't really 只不过不为人所知
known so we really went 所以我们真想
out of our way to celebrate it 全力歌颂这座城市
And you know putting pictures 所有标签
of Bristol on all the, all the labels 都用布里斯托的照片
all the compilations are named after places in Bristol 合集都以布里斯托地名命名
or numbered after the buses that went there 或者用开往那里的巴士来编号
because we were celebrating 因为我们也很热爱
public transport quite often as well 公共交通
For Sarah 50 到了Sarah 50
we wanted to do something special 我们想来点特别的
So we made a Sarah board game 我们做了一个Sarah桌游
which we called Saropoly which is 名叫Saropoly
based on a map of Bristol and based on 游戏基于布里斯托城市地图
running a small independent 你要在那里经营一个
record label in Bristol 小型独立厂牌
so basically you get to live our lives 就是尝试下我们的生活
We deliberately did it so it all folds up 地图特意设计成折叠的
into a 7" plastic bag so that it 可以放进7吋的塑料袋
looked like a 7" single 所以收纳起来时
when it was actually in the rack 就像一张7吋
I'm still immensely proud of it 我至今都很得意
and it does sort of sum up I think 它也从许多方面
the label in many ways 总结了这个厂牌
that there was much more to it than just music 还有许多音乐以外的东西
And it was always supposed to be fun 而且总是充满乐趣
and not just po-faced politics 不是一本正经讲政治
And I like to think that the whole 我觉得Saropoly
pop aesthetic thing runs through 体现出的流行审美观
Saropoly as much as it does 和那些7吋
through the 7" singles 所要表达的是一样的
Secret Shine were our second Bristol band Secret Shine是我们签下的第二支本地乐队
And it was, well it was so nice to for us 对我们来说
to eventually, as it kind of fell like 终于签下布里斯托本土乐队
get Bristol bands because 非常开心
we were such a Bristol label 因为我们是非常布里斯托的厂牌
So they were a band who I think 他们是一支
went through quite a leap 首张单曲和后来的音乐之间
between their first single and their later material 跨度比较大的乐队
I mean their first single was very much 他们的第一张单曲
acoustic, quite pretty 非常原声 非常美丽
From my memory we just kind of created 我记得我们只是
that demo because we 弄了盘样带
were trying to work out 当时我们在尝试
how to use the four track 学会用四轨录音机
There's probably some truth in that yeah 这话说得有点道理
After the first single 第一张单曲之后
we suddenly went all heavy 我们突然噪了起来
and then it was almost like 几乎就是
Even though there were other 尽管Sarah也出过
heavy records on Sarah 其他噪的唱片
nothing was quite like what 但和我们做的东西
we were doing I don't think 都不太一样
I think we had a problem then in that 当时我们遇到的问题
people didn't know whether 是人们搞不清楚
we were like 我们到底是
a sort of Sarah band or a shoegaze band 一支Sarah乐队 还是盯鞋乐队
And they got a bit confused 大家觉得有点困惑
I don't think we had an identity crisis but 我们并没有任何身份危机
other people seemed to get confused about 但其他人好像困惑于
what it was that we were trying to do 我们到底做的是什么样的音乐
I mean the reason we didn't have more kinda 我们并没有太多
noisy hands is because you've got a lot 噪的乐队 是因为
of bands that have got the sound 许多乐队有特色
but haven't really got the songs 却还没过硬的歌
So you need both 我们两者兼需
and that narrows it down a bit but 所以就把不少乐队排除在外了
I mean they do get dismissed as sort of 他们确实一直遭忽视
My Bloody Valentine copyists and things 被当作My Bloody Valentine的山寨
But I just think their songs are better 但我其实觉得他们的歌更棒
and I'm much rather listen to a Secret Shine album 我情愿听Secret Shine的专辑
than a My Bloody Valentine album 而不是My Bloody Valentine
Just because the tunes, the lyrics 因为无论编曲、歌词
the songs are just stronger basically 还是歌曲整体都更强
They're a better band 他们就是比MBV好
Fantastic 美妙至极
I think Blueboy were the 我认为Blueboy是
best band on the label 厂牌下最好的乐队
I thought they were stunning 我认为他们非常惊艳
Their two LPs are just great 两张专辑都很棒
Absolutely great 简直太棒了
Again they are one of those bands that 他们是那种
the further in time you get from 距离专辑发行
the actual releases the more you think 越是久远
these were absolutely classic albums 越显得他们经典的乐队
and should have been 在还活跃的时期
you know should have sold in their 他们的专辑应该
times hundreds of thousands really 大卖几十万张
They were so musically ahead of the game 就独立乐领域来说
in terms of the independent sector 他们的音乐领先了时代
Paul was just still probably still Paul可能至今都是我见过的
the best guitarists I've ever seen 最好的吉他手
We just wanted to be very convincing live 我们只是想要现场效果
as well as on record 和专辑一样好
There's nothing worse than when you hear 如果听了张好专辑
a great record and you go and see the band 现场看完觉得
and it doesn't even come up 还不如预期的一半
to half your expectations 没有比这更糟的了
I think one of the things about Blueboy 我觉得Blueboy有件事
that maybe a lot of people don't know 许多人可能不知道
because they didn't have the opportunity 因为他们没机会
to see them 去看现场
is how fantastic they were live 他们的演出真的很精彩
Keith's lyrics were always fantastic Keith一直很擅写词
and I know very personal to him 很个人化
And the first single they did for us 他们在Sarah发了首张单曲
Clearer was I think the only occasion 《Clearer》是Sarah所有唱片里
on Sarah that we actually included 唯一一张
a lyric sheet with the records just because 附了歌词本的
we thought the lyrics were so good 因为里面的歌词实在太赞
Clearer's a very subtle song “Clearer”十分微妙
about gay rights basically 其实是关于同性恋权利的
And Keith never really wanted to Keith从来都不想
sort of be any sort of spokesperson 成为发言人
or anything like that 或者其他什么角色
Which is fully understandable 这一点完全可以理解
But I think it's almost hard to 但与现在相比
remember back to how straight 很难想象
how homophobic the 90年代早期是
I suppose that was the early 90's 多么直男
really was compared with now 多么恐同的年代
过去20年里 I think it's something that’s changed
enormously in last 20 years 这一点已经发生了巨大改变
I mean I think the age of consent 那时的
was still 21 then for gay men 同性恋行为法定年龄还是21岁
Those words a very much personal account 那些歌词是一种私密的记录
you know from Keith's point of view 是从Keith眼中看到的
to be the way you are 你遵从本性
And then all of a sudden there's 可一夜之间
some kind of you know 政府颁布法令
government ruling about how you behave 来规定约束你的行为
But it didn't stop Melody Maker at the time 尽管如此《Melody Maker》还是评价说
reviewing it as a limp wristed song 它是一首缺乏男子气概的
about being sad 关于悲伤的歌曲
Which considering it was actually sort of 考虑到它的确是
Post Section 28 song 一首《第28条款》颁布后的歌曲
It is an extraordinary thing 一个乐评人会那样去评价
for a reviewer to write 是挺特别的
and you do wonder what was going through 你会很想知道 他们那样写时
their minds when they wrote it 脑子里究竟在想什么
The music press absolutely hated 音乐杂志对Sarah Records
and detested and loathed Sarah Records with abandon 绝对深恶痛绝到了极点
It was everything they absolutely 它包含了所有
hated about music 他们对音乐的痛恨之处
They thought it was twee 他们觉得Sarah是twee
they thought it was sexless 是性冷淡
they thought it had no balls 觉得Sarah没骨气
they thought it had no bollocks 觉得它没种
They didn't understand the fanzines 他们不理解fanzine
they didn't understand the 7" single thing 不理解7吋黑胶单曲
they didn't understand the flexi discs 不理解薄膜唱片
they didn't understand why 他们不理解为什么
it was called Sarah Records 厂牌要叫Sarah
and they didn't understand the bands 他们也不理解那些乐队
they just didn't get it at all 就是什么都理解不了
The music scene was really macho 当时的音乐圈非常大男子主义
and really noisy and that was 都玩非常爷们的音乐
what everyone was doing 舞曲圈以外
apart from the dance scene 基本都是这样
And we Heavenly reacted against that 我们Heavenly是抵制那种的
and Sarah reacted against that Sarah也是一样
But of course that was what the press 但那股风气就是媒体造的势
was building up and loved and we were not 他们喜欢那样 而我们不
We were the antithesis 我们因此站在了对立面
The lads mags came along 成人杂志出现了
and then after that sort of bands 然后冒出了Oasis那样的
like Oasis came along 雄性乐队
And again just trading in all these 从音乐和社会角度
horrible reactionary ideas both musically 贩卖那些糟糕的
and sort of socially 反动的想法
And it's just so hackneyed 这些都太陈腐
it's so unimaginative and it's just 太缺乏想象力了
thoroughly depressing 彻底的压抑感
You just think 你会想
have we not been through all this and 难道我们都没亲历过这些
we saw that it was wrong once? 并且视之为错误吗？
The word that bugged us most was the 最折磨我们的一个词
the twee word 就是twee
Twee was absolutely at the time 在当时twee就是
you know one of the worst insults 最侮辱人的
you could throw at anyone 单词之一
Nobody, but nobody liked being called twee 没有人 没有人喜欢被称为twee
No one. No one 没有人 绝对没人
You ask any musician from 你去问任何
back in the late 80's, early 90's 上世纪80年代末90年代初的音乐人
No one liked being called twee 没人愿意被冠上twee
I think because as Australians 我想作为澳大利亚人
the idea of being twee Twee这个形容
was culturally repulsive to us 在文化上令我们十分反感
I think if we were young 我想如果我们是年轻的
white pasty English lads 皮肤白白的英国人
it might have you know, fit better 可能会更合适
But as Ozzies 但作为澳洲人
twee was not a good fit for us Twee放在我们身上并不合适
I actually remember being described 我还记得曾被描述为
as being fey and twee and I had to go Fey和twee 我不得不
and find a dictionary to find out 查了下字典
what it was because it's no words I'd ever 到底什么意思 因为在格拉斯哥
heard or used before in Glasgow 我从没有听过或用过这些词
Everything about the idea of something that's twee 说某个事物非常twee时
That is not there to be taken seriously 其实并不是认真的
that is not making a statement 也不是在发表什么声明
It's kind of throwaway in a negative sense 就是一种漫不经心的贬低
or childish in a negative sense 或者说是非常幼稚的
For me that's everything that you know 对我而言 这个词所表达的
kind of Sarah was kind of standing against 差不多就是Sarah一直在抵制的
but people didn't get the irony 但人们却没明白个中讽刺
And that's the point 这才是最要命的
I know for a fact that if a Sarah record 可以确定的是 如果有张Sarah唱片
turned up at the Melody Maker which 出现在我那时候工作的
is where I was working by that point 《Melody Maker》办公室
Myself and Bob Stanley who was their other 我和同事Bob Stanley都是
big champion in the music press 厂牌坚定的拥护者
If it turned up and me and Bob 如果那张唱片出现
didn't grab it 但不是我或Bob写评
it would immediately get panned 肯定会被贬得一文不值
It wouldn't matter what the band was 是哪个乐队都不重要
it was the fact that it was on Sarah Records 只要是Sarah发行的
Bands would definitely get panned 就一定会被差评
because they were on Sarah Records 只因他们是Sarah的一员
For sure 百分之百这样
Because they seen it was a Sarah Record 只要看见Sarah出的唱片
they went down the same old cliches 他们就会用不变的陈词滥调
Every now and again I'd be surprised tho 有时我甚至惊讶
there'd be somebody who actually sounded 还真会有人显得好像
like they listened to it 有认真听过我们
You get sent such a volume of stuff 你收到一堆唱片
That you start 然后你开始
There's no way you can listen to it all 不可能全听一遍
And you start making 于是你开始
snap decisions about things 仓促做出一些决定
sometimes based on 有时候基于
on kind of quite odd criteria 一些相当奇怪的标准
And I could understand 所以我能够理解
I'm not condoning it 这不是原谅
I'm not saying it's right 并不是说那就对
I can understand why a music journalist 我只是能理解一个音乐记者
who decided that Sarah Records was something 对Sarah给出某些负面评价
wouldn't even bother to listen to 其实私下都懒得听
the stuff they sent them Sarah寄给他们的唱片
Because there wasn't the time 因为压根没时间
And also you have to understand that 你也必须明白
Sarah Records put itself Sarah Records把自己
in opposition to the music press 放在了音乐媒体的对立面
It's hardly surprising that the 如果Sarah出版
music journalists aren't going to like fanzine去攻击那些音乐媒体
Sarah Records if they are putting out 记者们因此不喜欢他们
fanzines attacking the music press you know 也是自然而然的
The music journalists are only human 音乐记者也是人
If they are gonna read stuff saying how 如果他们读到别人写
crap they are and how they don't like music 他们都是废物 并不喜欢音乐
and how they don't feel passionate about it 并没有任何热情
well it's quite possible that they're 那很有可能
not going to like the records 他们也不会喜欢这些人
that these people put out 发行的唱片
You know I think it's all in the 我认为当时
rough and tumble of the environment at that time 局面非常混乱
And I think in a way it's good 某种程度上说挺好
You know at least people were noticing you 至少有人注意到了你
If they are taking shots at you 他们朝你开炮
you could say that's a good thing 可以说是件好事
You've done something 你做的事至少
You're worth paying attention to 吸引了
in some kind of a way 某种程度的关注
When we were on Sarah 我们在Sarah
and Loveblind came out 发行《Loveblind》后
NME gave it one of the worst reviews NME给出了他们有史以来
they've ever published for a single 对单曲的最差评价之一
And what's the exact quote? 具体怎么说的？
They said that Loveblind was 他们说《Loveblind》
equivalent to cancer 等同于癌症
And it was just completely slated 真是惨不忍睹
and apparently John Peel read that review 显然John Peel看到了那篇乐评
and he said that any band that elicits 他说任何能引起
that much wrath is worthy of a listen 那么多愤怒的乐队 都值得一听
So he started to listen to it and made it 所以他听了那首歌
single of the week and 选为本周最佳单曲
it broke the indie charts 于是它还上了独立榜单
highest entry wasn't it 我们的排行榜最好成绩
The fact that it could survive 不需要音乐媒体
without the music press 唱片也可以存活
The music press doesn't really like that 音乐媒体可不喜欢这样
and it was a completely Sarah完全是一个
self contained world Sarah you know 自给自足的世界
And I remember I had a friend who was 我有个也玩乐队的朋友
in a band who were on a major label 他们签的大厂牌
and he could not believe the press we got 他无法相信我们的报道那么多
When he actually had a big promotions team 他们背后有庞大的团队
behind him and they just didn't 可就是
get any of the coverage 不受任何青睐
I worked for EMI Records for a while 我曾在百代唱片工作过一段时间
and the guys in the marketing department 市场部的那些家伙
there could never understand how we managed 永远搞不懂我们怎样在
to get on the radio or anything 没很多预算的情况下
without spending vast amounts of money 让电台放我们的歌之类的
And there was some kind of bitterness 这种反差很讽刺的
really that they were spending ￡200,000 他们要花20万英镑
to market a record and yet we'd perhaps 去推广一张唱片
you know post it to John Peel and he'd 而我们只是把它寄给John Peel
he good enough to search it out 感谢他从一大堆唱片里
of his big pile and play it you know 找到我们 然后在电台播出
so there's possibly a little bit 这可能也引起了
of resentment of how come they are 其他人的不满
how come they are getting this success 为什么他们能取得这样的成功
when they are not part of 他们甚至都不在
the big machine you know 整个庞大的体系中
People still like Sarah Records and the NME 人们依然喜欢Sarah Records
has all but disappeared 而NME差不多已经绝迹了
So another, another win I think there 这又是一场胜利
Why did we disband? 我们为什么解散
There are lots of stories about why 关于这个
we disbanded but the real reason 有很多传言
we disbanded I think was because 但解散的真正原因是
we'd got as far as we could go 我们已经到了极限
There was nothing else to do 没有其他可以做的了
I remember the night The Field Mice 我还记得The Field Mice
broke up on stage 在台上宣布解散的那一晚
Because you know 因为你知道
there was clearly something up 一定是有什么事
Clearly there was tensions were running high 一种清晰而强烈的紧张感
but it wasn't like 但那并不像是
like a sort of brawl or anything 闹翻了之类的
It was a very Sarah Records kind of way of 是以一种非常Sarah的方式
you know what I mean 你懂的
Of breaking up where people just clearly 解散的 成员非常难过
very upset and fed up with each other 受够了彼此
and were kind of 是那种
emotions were running high in this rather 被动攻击型的
passive aggressive way 愈演愈烈
And they weren't looking at each other 他们都不互相看
which seemed again a very Sarah Records 这又是非常Sarah
a very Field Mice way of expressing 非常Field Mice的方式
ones disapproval of just sort of... 来表达各自的不满
What a sad state of affairs 多么令人难过的画面
We looked so sad on stage 我们在舞台上看起来太伤心了
Our body language is so down and so low 肢体语言那么失落 那么消沉
Not sure it was ever that up! 虽然以前也没很高昂
But it was just 但当时实在是
you just look at it and just think 看着这幅样子你会想
that is a sad group of people 这群人真的太丧了
# The end of the affair # 恋情终了结
# We no longer care # 彼此已相忘
# For each other # 从此是路人
In typical Field Mice perversity 带着Field Mice典型的任性
they played not only brand new songs 乐队不仅在那场
At the gig 演了新歌
they played a brand new song 在试音的时候
in the sound check 就演了一首全新的
which they never then played in the concert 之前演出从没演过的
Even though they know they are not going 即使知道以后不会有机会再演
to do it again and they're not 也不再会
speaking to each other 彼此亲密无间
That's just brilliantly absurd 那真是又荒诞又精彩
# Once I needed you so # 曾经的不可或缺
# Now I can't stand being # 就这样变成
# in the same room as you # 水火不容
And it was very sad 那一刻好难过
It was very, very sad 非常非常难过
I just remember trying very hard not to cry 我很努力地让自己
at the end 不要在最后哭出来
You know, the last song 你知道 最后一首歌时
I remember as I walked out 我记得我走出场地
Michael was standing by the door Michael正好站在门口
And I said 我对他说
"You know you were 你知道吗 你们是
the best band in the world?" 全世界最好的乐队
And he went 他回答说
是的 我知道 "Yeah I know“
I'm sure Bobby and Michael 我相信Bobby和Michael
won't mind me saying 不会介意我这么说
they could be the most awkward people 他们有时候是世界上
in the world at times 最麻烦的人
that's because they knew what they wanted 因为他们知道自己要什么
and they certainly didn't want to have us 绝不会让我们
telling them what to do 告诉他们做什么
And the final tour they did 他们最后一次巡演
when they were finally sort of playing 终于可以演一些
biggish venues 较大的场地
and you just thought OK finally 你想 好的
they are going to break through and become huge 他们终于能出人头地了
And then obviously they decide 然而他们却决定
to split up instead 这时解散
And again that probably sort of 这个决定可能也是
sums them up 对他们的最好总结
Frustrating 令人沮丧
but fantastic 但又精彩无比
# This is it, isn't it? # 就此作别 可好
# This is it, this is the end # 就此作别 再见
The record that we released on Sarah 我们在Sarah发的那张专辑
was actually licensed from a Japanese label 其实是从一个日本厂牌引进的
because The Hit Parade had actually become 当时The Hit Parade在日本
quite huge in Japan and were signed 非常知名 还和
to a major label out there 那边一个大厂牌签了约
Julian Henry is the man behind the Hit Parade Julian Henry是The Hit Parade的核心
Julian was a real inspirational figure Julian带给别人很多启发
because a lot of those early Hit Parade 乐队许多早期金曲
singles he basically made on his own 都是他一个人完成的
He just seemed to be somebody who 他好像完全理解
completely understood what pop music should be about 流行乐该是什么样的
He just wanted to release series of 他就想出一批
absolutely perfect 3 minute 7 inch guitar pop records 十分完美的3分钟7吋吉他流行唱片
The Sugargliders were a Melbourne band The Sugargliders是一支墨尔本乐队
two brothers Josh and Joel Meadows 由两兄弟Josh和Joel Meadows组成
We'd admired Sarah Records for a long time 我们对Sarah仰慕已久
And 并且
we'd spent all our money recording 我们花了所有的钱
Letter from A Lifeboat 录了单曲“Letter from A Lifeboat”
And then 然后
basically we didn't have much 我们基本没有
of a marketing plan 宣传计划
we just sent it to Sarah Records 就是把歌寄给了Sarah
One thing they wanted to do 来英国后
when they came over to England 他们特别想
was to record with Ian Catt because 和Ian Catt一起录音
they'd been big fans of the Field Mice 因为他们是The Field Mice忠实歌迷
and they sort of wanted to go and record 所以他们想
in his studio and try and get some of that 去他的录音室
Ian Catt sound on their own recordings 在自己的音乐里加些Ian Catt的声音
and that was the Ahprahran single that we did 于是就有了后来的“Ahprahan”
And 而且
they came over in the middle of winter 他们来的时候是冬天
but they obviously didn't seem to realise 他们显然没意识到这点
this because I remember them turning up 出现在希思罗机场时
at Heathrow Airport in shorts 他们都穿着短裤
And it was snowing as well and 外面还下着雪
I remember Joel sort of scraping snow 还记得
off the bonnet of the cars Joel在房子外面
outside our house as if he'd 刮车前盖上的积雪
never seen snow before 好像从来没见过雪一样
I'm sure he had but it was very much 我相信他肯定见过
the impression that they didn't quite know where they'd come 但感觉他们对要来的地方真没概念
and what they were doing here 也没想好来做什么
The Harvest Ministers
are a Dublin based band 是都柏林的一支乐队
who had put out their first single 他们在Crayon Records
themselves on Crayon Records 发行了第一张单曲
“You Do My World The World Of Good”
So our first single we did with them 所以我们帮他们发的第一张
was to re-release that 是再版那张
I think they are another of those hands 他们是又一支
that really didn't fit in with the 并不真正符合
sort of Sarah or the perceived Sarah sound Sarah或者所谓Sarah标志性风格
and the Sarah scene but you know 不属于Sarah圈子的乐队
that's fantastic 但这才是美妙之处
When they came over here to play some gigs 他们来这里演出
they were quite surprised by the fact that 非常吃惊
they were expected to play for 自己被期望
sort of half an hour, 40 minutes 演差不多30到40分钟
Because back in Dublin they were used to 在都柏林他们习惯了
sort of doing 2 hour sets with 演那种2个小时的
an interval in the middle because that's 还带幕间休息
the scene they come from 是他们那边的做法
I've still really no idea why 我至今不知道
East River Pipe got in touch with us 为什么East River Pipe主动联系我们
Just one day we got these two 7" singles 一天我们收到了
arrived in the post 两张7吋单曲
that they'd put out on their own label back in New York 是他们在纽约自己厂牌发的
Which we thought were great 我们觉得很棒
so we got in touch with them and said 就联系了他们 问
can we sort of license these 可以许可我们
and release them over here? 在这边发行吗？
I mean East River Pipe is really just this East River Pipe其实就是
one guy F.M Fred Cornog F.M Fred Cornog的一人乐队
And again he's one of those people 他明显也是
who is clearly not coming from the same sort of background 和大多数Sarah乐队
that most of the Sarah bands 并不是来自
are perceived to be coming from 同一个成长环境的人
And it's interesting that his songs 有意思的是
have been covered by 他的歌被
a lot of other people out there 其他很多人翻唱
I think Lambchop covered 3 of his songs Lambchop曾在某张里
on one of their albums 翻唱了3首他的歌
So he's actually a very well respected 所以他在美国是一个
sort of singer songwriter out in the States 非常受尊敬的音乐创作人
I suppose the one 我认为
the one regret is the fact that 最大的遗憾是
it's a shame that some of the bands 厂牌下的一些乐队
weren't more successful 没能更成功
Yes I think 是的 我认为
some of the bands might have got 如果去其他厂牌
further on other labels 他们可能会走更远
We never dreamt of selling 我们从未幻想
millions and millions of singles and 卖出百万单曲
going on yachts around you know 坐着游艇
around the world or anything like that 环游世界之类的
We just wanted to do what we did 我们很知足
If it wasn't for Matt and Clare 如果不是Matt和Clare
I don't think we'd have ever got into 我们不会有机会去
a recording studio 录音棚录音
and the songs would never 我们的歌也永远不可能
have got off a cassette 走出一盘磁带的天地
If The Field Mice had been able 如果The Field Mice当时能够
to survive it's own personalities 以自己的个性
it's own dynamics 和内部关系生存下去
then perhaps being on Sarah might have been 那待在Sarah可能
might have been a barrier to The Field Mice 就会是成功道路上的
being more successful, bigger etc 一个阻碍
But I think we would have imploded 但在那一步之前
before that happened anyway 乐队可能已经从内部瓦解了
Bobby and I went to a talk with a guy Bobby和我去找
from a publishing company 一个发行公司的人聊过
I think it was the people who published 是发行
Depeche Mode or something like that Depeche Mode那个级别的公司
And Bobby and I went Bobby和我去了
and we came out thinking 出来后就心想
you know, we are nothing to do 我们永远不会
with people like that 和那样的人扯上关系
We're not like that 我们不是那样的人
We would never, ever, ever 我们永远永远
looking to be big 不会指望出名
I don't think 我没那样想过
You know an independent label 一个独立厂牌
a true independent label 一个真正的独立厂牌
is a small indie 无法像大厂牌那样
one that's not cashed up a major 提供许多资金
really has very little it can do for you 超过一定程度后
beyond a certain point 它能做的就极有限了
lt just can't take you to a certain level 无法帮你达到特定高度
it just doesn't have the finances to do it 没钱这么做
They can barely pay royalties let alone 连支付版税都很勉强
put significant amounts of money into a 更不用说投大笔钱
promotions campaign around a record 为一张唱片开展营销推广
Or provide significant funding for 或提供巨额资金
tour support so that when you go on tour 支持你的巡演
you can travel with a 让你在巡演中
reasonable amount of comfort 比较舒服
The band is you know 让乐队
well connected into all the press and PR 在每个地方都能
opportunities in every location 获得报道 参与公关活动
All of those things, that does require 但所有这些都要求
more resources than 普通小厂牌所不具备的
the average small indie has 丰富资源
We never really went for it 我和乐队在这方面
with the band in terms of 从没刻意追求过
we never really toured non stop 我们从不无止尽地巡演
and this sort of thing 之类的
and really tried to make a go of it 没有非要达成的目标
It was always was kind of 总是因为
a really fun thing that we did alongside 很有趣才去做 就和大家
our studies or our work or 对待学习、工作
whatever each of us was doing 或者其他日常的事情一样
So given that we were kind of a bit 考虑到我们也不太确定
unsure how big we wanted to make it ourselves 想要多出名
I think Sarah was probably perfect for us Sarah就是我们最完美的选择
Perhaps we would have liked them to 也许我们会希望当年
have be more ambitious 他们能在商业上
in sort of a business sense 再多点野心
I mean I think for us it would have been 我是说 就我们而言
great if we could have gone further with the label 如果能和厂牌一起走得更远就好了
But in retrospect 但回过头看
you know looking back on it 当你重新回顾
You have to develop a respect for the idea 就不得不对他们的理念肃然起敬
that wasn't how they were running the label 并非是他们如何经营厂牌
It was being run as a curatorial project 厂牌就像他们的一个策展项目
That it wasn't being run as a business 而不是一门买卖
and that is typical of 许多独立厂牌
so many independent labels 都是这样的
So they are often set up by fanatics 通常由狂热的乐迷创建
by fans who love a particular kind of music 对某一特定类型的音乐有强烈喜好
and for them as long as they 对他们而言
can be engaged in that music 只要能从事那类音乐
that's what success looks like 从厂牌角度看
from a label perspective 就算是成功
Which is very different from thinking that 这和把成功定义为
success is selling lots of copies of 卖掉许许多多的唱片
records and scaling up your business 扩大生意规模
and all that kind of stuff 和这类想法非常不同
I think we were maybe just 我们的不够专业
unprofessional in an entirely different way 和大多数厂牌
from most record labels 是完全不同的
So you know we weren't 你知道的
you know falling apart and doing drugs 我们并没有自甘堕落 嗑药
and being pissed all the time 整天脾气很臭的样子
We were just 我们只是
taking pictures of buses 拍一些巴士的照片
Certainly a lot of my friends were 我的许多朋友肯定都
very surprised and didn't in fact 非常意外 并不相信
believe me when I said we are going 我说我们要在Sarah
to do a record on Sarah 发唱片的事
Because we were considerably noisier 因为我们明显比
than most of the bands on the label 厂牌的多数乐队要吵闹
Especially live shows we played 特别是我们的现场
were a pretty god awful racket 每次都闹哄哄的
Boyracer actually really lived it Boyracer真是用生命在做乐队
They gigged a lot, they toured a lot 他们不断演出 不断巡演
Stewart
writes songs, writes songs, writes songs 不断在写歌 写歌 再写歌
and can write them all day I think 可以一整天都在创作
And you know it really was their lives 音乐真的就是他们的生命
and I think you can tell that from their 你能从中看出
passion and their enthusiasm for it 他们对音乐的热情和喜爱
I used to go up and see him in Leeds and he 我以前常去利兹找他
was selling baked potatoes from a stall 看见他在摊位上卖烤土豆
Spud-U-like I think 是在Spud-U-Like
you know in the 就在
in the shopping centre 就在购物中心里
and that was what he did in the day for 这就是他每天的工作
for living Boyracer the rest of the time 其余时间都给了Boyracer
And really had their 他们真的
their sort of hearts and souls in it 全身心投入到了音乐中
The label was what drew myself and Dickon 是厂牌让我和
who was in Shelley together Shelly的另一个成员Dickson结识
and Simon and Steven 还有Simon和Steven
who were also in the band 当时也在乐队
But I don't think we ever had ideas 但我们从未想过
that we would be a Sarah Records band 会成为Sarah一员
because that seemed like 因为这像是
an impossible thing 遥不可及的
You know we 你知道
pretty much worshipped 我们差不多崇拜
most of the bands on that label 厂牌下的大多数乐队
We couldn't possibly imagine that 实在没法想象
we'd be allowed to be 有一天
you know in the same company 会和他们在同一个厂牌
I was really 我十分高兴
pleased to do the Shelley single 发行Shelley的单曲
because we'd known everybody involved 因为我们认识乐队每个人
in the band for years 有很多年了
It was just really nice to work with 能和他们合作
all these people and 发一张唱片
put out a record by them 是非常美妙的
When they released the singles they always 每次单曲发行
used to put out the next few releases 他们总会列出接下来
that were coming up 即将发行的条目
Prior to that they'd billed 在Sarah 100发行前
Sarah 100 as a surprise 他们却卖起了关子
and so everyone was thinking 每个人都在想
What is it going to be? 到底会是什么呢？
Is it going to be an album? 一张专辑吗？
A sort of deluxe box set or something? 还是豪华版大盒子？
We tried to tell as few people as possible 我们尽量不透露
because obviously that would have spoilt 否则就会破坏
the surprise slightly because 这个意外
we really wanted to just 因为我们真地想
hit people with this 把大家吓一跳
One thing we always knew 有件事
right from the start 我们从一开始就知道
was that we didn't want to be 就是我们不想
one of those labels that just sort of 成为那些日薄西山
petered out and faded away 步入迟暮的厂牌
We always knew that we wanted 我们一直清楚
to go out with a bang essentially 想要那种痛快的结束
I mean it was just always about 这一直都是关键
sort of stopping in a very deliberate way 深思熟虑地结束使命
and making 这样的话
the end as important as the beginning 结局就会和开头一样重要
It's like they killed it right in its prime 他们像是在巅峰时终结的
you know which 你知道
is a very strange thing to do 这是非常奇怪的事情
And 并且
it probably takes a lot of guts 可能也很需要勇气
to do something like that 才能做到
That's what they said they were going to do 他们说过会这么做
That was the ethos and they did it 这就是他们的理念 而且真的做到了
And it's yeah really, really admirable 非常非常令人佩服
And you know 你也知道
you gotta leave the kids wanting more 要让乐迷有饥饿感
I think people generally 大多数人
thought it was a great thing to do 认可这件事
I mean people really like 他们非常喜欢
the advert we that we took out in the press 我们在杂志上的那则宣言
Which I mean I look back at that and I think 回头看 我想
really couldn't have said that any better 真的说不出更好的了
that says exactly what we wanted it to say 那就是我们想表达的
I mean they had that brilliant 他们在杂志上
final flourish when they put that advert 刊登了那则宣言
in the music press and went 这是最后的辉煌
we're stopping doing this and you know 告诉人们一切要结束了
we've made this amazing statement 这是我们精彩的告别
And I sort of remember reading that 我边读边感叹
and thinking yeah right on! 说得太好了！
Then I wanted to 我想要
I wanted to put all the master tapes 把所有母带
in a big pile and burn them 都堆成一堆然后烧掉
I thought that would be the real kind of 好像那才真的是
pop up statement of destroying everything 摧毁一切的临时起意
but Matt's wiser council prevailed 还好Matt及时理智干预
I think Matt had a very good point that 他说得对
it wasn't very fair on the bands really 那样做对乐队不太公平
It was their songs and recordings 毕竟都是他们的心血
We'd always had the idea for 我们早就想好
last release being the 最后一张Sarah
There And Back Again Lane compilation 应该是《There And Back Again Lane》合集
And it was always going to have the 而封面一定是
Clifton Suspension Bridge on the front 克里夫顿吊桥
But we 但我们
we really wanted to make it 真的很想搞
an event and a party 一个活动 一场派对
And a sort of celebration of the label 算是庆祝厂牌
and sort of very definite end 画上句号
So we threw a party here 所以就有了布里斯托
on the Thekla in Bristol Thekla的这场派对
I remember finishing work in the afternoon 记得那天下午完成工作
and just walking down to the Thekla 我走路去Thekla
and just seeing queues of people outside 看见有人在外面排队
There was like fans there from 队伍里有从世界各地
different parts of the world 赶来的乐迷
with like all these old moth eaten t-shirts 都穿着带破洞的
with kind of old singles on the front 印着旧单曲封面的旧T恤
That was the extraordinary thing 这很了不起
When we were selling tickets that 售票时
people were writing from Hong Kong 有人说是从香港
and the States and Australia 美国、澳大利亚写信来的
and we were sort of thinking 我们心想
Are these people really coming'? 他们真会来吗？
I think some didn't 有些大概不
they just wanted a ticket 他们只为买张门票
but some they genuinely did 但有些还真是
You know on the night people were saying 那晚就有人说
I'm so and so from Hong Kong 我是香港来的某某
and that is fantastic 那种感觉真的很棒
And they'd decked it out like a sort of 他们把场地装点得
really like a party with 很有派对气氛
balloons everywhere 到处是气球
and streamers and what 彩带和其他东西
I seem to remember 我似乎记得
a lot of drunkenness 那晚喝得很醉
I seem to remember some rather dodgy 我似乎记得
and un-indie like behaviour 厕所里发生了一些
going on in the toilets! 有点污有点不indie的事情
The party was incredible 难以置信的派对
You know all these bands that you'd 听了那么多年
been listening to all these years 的乐队都出现了
It's the culmination of all that time 是一个时代的高潮
So it was kind of like the Mecca 就像独立乐的麦加
it was the like the Diwali 就像Sarah的
of Sarah if you like 排灯节（印度“春节”）
Everyone was excited 每个人都很兴奋
The crowd was so appreciative 心里充满感激
but they knew it was gonna be the last time 也知道这是最后一次
that a collection of you know the bands they like 他们喜欢的乐队
were going to be there at the same time 同台演出
A lot of people saying 许多人问
What's going to happen? 接下来呢？
Because like us they felt as though 他们同样觉得
they'd sort of lost their moorings a little bit 好像失去了依靠
They'd come to rely 他们总以为
Sarah always being there and the next Sarah会一直存在
you know the next gig and the next record 一直会有下场演出
that was going to come out 下张唱片
I think it was probably the first time 这可能是我第一次
for me that I actually thought 真正觉得
that this is a moment actually to cherish 此刻应该去珍惜
and to think about and to remember 去思考 去记住
Because this isn't going to happen again 因为这再也不会发生了
We were still together at that point 当时我们还在一起
but sort of drifting apart I think and 但已经貌合神离了
And I suppose 我可以说
I was going to say we stayed together 我们是为了厂牌
for the sake of the label 所以还在一起
but that wouldn't be strictly true 但那不是真的
But I think that it was clear that we 有一点肯定
sort of had our own ideas of what 我们各自差不多都有
we wanted to do next and 未来的计划
and obviously once the label had ended 一旦厂牌结束
there was really nothing to really stop us 就没什么能阻止我们
going our separate ways 分道扬镳
and doing our own thing after that 做自己的事了
We split up as we both moved to London 都搬去伦敦后我们就分手了
There was never a falling out and you know 过程中没有一点争吵
I trust him to the ends of the earth 他永远是我最信赖的人
I think it was more about sort of 我们只是觉得
what else might be out there 外面的世界可能更精彩
I don't necessarily mean in terms of 不是说有更好的男友
boyfriends but just a kind of 而是
a different life 一段新的生活
I suppose it's almost like suddenly 那就好像是
I was in my late 20s and the world 我快30岁了 我一直生活在
was my oyster and I kind of felt the need 牡蛎壳里 我觉得
to go off and do my own thing 需要走出去做些自己的事
So I set up Shinkansen 我建了新厂牌Shinkansen
fairly soon after the end of Sarah 就在结束Sarah不久后
Including a couple of the old 聚集了一些
Sarah bands on the label 以前Sarah的乐队
After Sarah I ended up working for Vital Sarah之后我开始在Vital工作
who were big indie distributors at that point 那是当时一家大型独立乐分销商
And working on bands you hadn't chosen 我开始为别人选择的乐队工作
I mean whilst I really like some of them 里面有一些我真的喜欢
was just so different from working on 但和以前很不同
the stuff you really believed in that 以前只有你最相信的乐队
I really couldn't think of another 我想不到还有什么
record label I wanted to go and work for 我想为之工作的厂牌
or something I wanted to do in the industry 或者在音乐行业里想做的事
And I mean I'm sure there are senior women 这一行里应该也有
in the music industry 职位很高的女性
but I couldn't see any of them 但我是没见过
The bosses I was seeing were all male 我能见到的高层都是男性
and I couldn't really see much 在这里我无法预见
of a future for for me in it 自己的未来
that I either wanted 要么就是不想要的
Or could really see a way 要么就是
of kind of getting to and 不知如何实现的
And I ended up looking back at the fact 我回过头发现
that I'd got a couple of Maths A Levels 我有几门数学高考成绩
and an Economics degree and 还有经济学学位
went off to train as a chartered accountant 就去学注册会计师了
Shinkansen went on for a few years Shinkansen运营了几年
But by the end of Shinkansen 但在最后时期
the music industry had completely changed 音乐行业已彻底改变
You now had the web you have 有了互联网
all the available outlets available there 和各种途径
for getting people to hear your music 让人听到你的音乐
Why would you need 为什么还需要
a record label basically? 一个厂牌呢？
Unless they are going to put thousands 除非愿意花许多钱
of pounds behind your marketing 帮你做推广
You are much better off just doing it 完全可以自己做
by yourselves and clearly lots of people 许多人也证明了
proved that you can become quite successful 靠自己
just by doing it by yourselves so 也能相当成功
Certainly I enjoyed Sarah 比起Shinkansen
more than Shinkansen 我当然更喜欢Sarah
Shinkansen felt more like this is what Shinkansen感觉
I do as a job rather than something really 只是一份工作
positive and worthwhile which is 而不是非常积极有价值
making the world a better place 会让世界更美好的事
which is what Sarah 正如以前Sarah
was always supposed to be 一直致力于的
Sarah were the record label who made you Sarah让你相信
think that you could do it yourself 你也能做自己的厂牌
They just put out some incredible 他们推出了一些
incredible, incredible records 非常不可思议的唱片
The legacy of Sarah Records in Spain Sarah在西班牙
has been huge 影响深远
There are people in America 在美国许多人
who are completely obsessed with Sarah Records you know 十分迷恋Sarah Records
I'm one of them 我就是其中之一
Who would have thought that a small label 谁会想到在英格兰
out of England called Sarah Records 一个名叫Sarah的小厂牌
would make records and recordings 发行了一些唱片
that could touch a person such as myself 却能穿过半个世界
half way across the world over in 深深打动
the middle of the United States? 我这样一个美国中部的人
I'm Kady and I'm 18 years old 我是Kady 今年18岁
which means that when Sarah Records ended Sarah Records关门的时候
I was a small child 我还只是个小孩
My name is Gene, I am 16 years old 我是Gene 今年16岁
All over the world you hear people 你在全世界都能听到
talking about Sarah Records 人们谈论Sarah Records
in Japan and in Jakarta 在日本 在雅加达
You know kids talking about Sarah Records 那里的青少年也在谈论Sarah Records
and it's kind of become an institution 差不多成了不成文的惯例
Anyone that is looking for sincere 任何人想在任何风格中
real music, of any genre 寻找真实又纯粹的音乐
Seek out Sarah Records 听听Sarah Records吧
It also blows me away that these recordings 我很震惊 这些唱片
are 20 years old now 都问世20年了
That was 20 years ago 竟是20年前的音乐
Wow
It is surprising the affection 这种钟爱和兴趣
and the interest in the label 令我非常惊讶
because 因为
it is 25 years ago since we started it 距离厂牌成立已经25年了
so 17 since we stopped it 结束厂牌也是17年前的事了
We certainly never dreamt that people 我们当然从未指望
would still be talking about it 人们25年后
in 25 years time and probably 还会谈论它
talking about it more now than they ever were 甚至比以前谈得更多
When you actually set something up that 当你建立起一个东西
that really plants a flag 它成了一个标志
then you'll find that that's something 渐渐你会发现
that will resonate beyond it's initial life 它产生的共鸣超越了自身
So I mean even after the label 甚至在关门以后
closed it's doors and even now 甚至是现在
there's an incredible connection to Sarah that goes on Sarah引发的共鸣和联系仍在持续
One of the most extraordinary things in recent years 近年来最不可思议的是
has been with the whole digital downloads side of things 数字音乐下载所引发的影响
That suddenly, records that we thought 突然之间 那些我们以为
were forgotten about and lost 被遗忘和遗失的唱片
have suddenly reappeared because 一下又重新出现了
people can now download them 如今都能下载到
And I think that is an element to which 我想那就是为什么Sarah
Sarah is now bigger than it ever was at the time 比当时更受欢迎的原因之一
Creation Records If you think about Creation Records
or Factory Records or ZTT 或Factory Records、ZTT
or Sarah Records or Sub Pop Records 还有Sarah Records、Sub Pop Records
something they've all got in common is that 他们的一个共同点就是
they are all really good at generating 都善于形成一种
a kind of overall aesthetic around themselves 围绕自身的整体的审美观
And all of these labels 所有这些厂牌
they are all still really highly regarded 如今依然有很高威望
The whole label was very hand made 整个厂牌都是Matt和Clare两人
by Matt and Clare 亲力亲为
Every band was chosen by them 亲自挑选每支乐队
Every band was helped along by them 竭力帮助他们
Every record was basically put together 每张唱片都是他们在自家客厅
in their living room by them 亲手组装的
Matt and Clare just said Matt和Clare只是说
we'd like you to record an album 我们想让你们录张唱片
That was the brief, that was it 这就是厂牌的要求 就这些
So you just went and kind of did what you wanted 你可以放手去做
So I think because you got given 因为乐队被给予了
that responsibility 那份责任
the bands probably cared more 所以也许
than if there was a huge, great big budget 相比一份巨额预算
and you were told what to do 被指手画脚 他们会更用心
The end result is that you've got something 结果就是 你做出来的东西
that's a bit more honest 会更加诚实
and a bit more 更多一点
you know a bit more personal 更个人化一些
And people can always relate to 人们总是对
something that's personal 个人化的东西产生感情
We were so naive, we knew nothing 我们曾那么天真 一无所知
You know I kind of think that in a way 我觉得 某种程度上
embodied everything that in my head 是Sarah Records
that was what Sarah Records 使我表达出了内心的东西
sort of stood for right at the start 那就是它的初心
You know, in you go the studio 你进到录音棚时
and you have no idea quite 都不知道
what you are doing 自己在做些什么
but out of it comes something that's special 但一种特殊的东西就此孕育而生
The whole philosophy I think that they ran 这背后的哲学就是
that feeling of you know 他们给人一种
us against the world 与世界抗衡的感觉
It was like the label 就好像厂牌
was as important as the bands 与乐队同等重要
Even when Sarah was going it was like 即使Sarah还活跃时
a little bit of people's secret 也像是人们心中的秘密
and it was like 就好比
Oh you like Sarah Records too! 原来你也喜欢Sarah
It was just it's own 那是属于
It's own secret world 它自己的秘密世界
I think when we finished we thought 结束厂牌时
that we had really achieved something there 我们认为我们实现了一些东西
What we'd set out to do 原先的目标吗？
Yes I really think 是的 我是认为
We did and 我们做到了 而且
if we were still doing it now 如果我们还在做的话
we'd probably just go 可能会变成
oh whatever it's only one out of 哦 这只是我们出的
a thousand or something 1000多张之一而已
whereas you know 然而你知道
when you are clear on your 100 当你非常清楚只会出100张唱片
you've got to make every one count 就会对每张都很在意
And I really think we did that 我们真的做到了
We stand by every single one that we released 我们力挺每一张唱片
I think we are both quite 我想我们都
quietly proud of it all 对这一切感到非常自豪
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